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This is – NOT – what your grandparents & their parents fought to win for you. Pull your drawers up & have some dignity.
(Lil’ Wayne)
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Seriously, it looks so dumb.
he’s wearing pink. what a mo.
He’s such a teapot.
As long as people like common things this will be popular.
Amen to the caption on the photo, for serious.
Yeah really.
totally
no self respecting gay person would be caught within 20 feet of that train wreck. the gay mafia would take him out if he even thought of representing.
Seriously!
Let alone the fact the belt buckle sais Rape, (I saw the same picture somewhere else)
hey u twat it says bape
Why yes.. yes it does look dumb. Not to mention it is very foolish… I mean… if you are going to claim to be all gang related.. don’t you want your ability to run? I guess I shouldn’t complain… I mean it certainly would make it easier for the cops to run them down when their pants fall off their THIGHS and hit their ankles opening them up for teh buttsecks by the cops…
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Isn’t this the guy who got molested by his body guard?
He does have a belt buckle that says ‘rape’ on…..
I don’t think it’s rape if you ask for it.;)
aaaaaaaaaaare you kidding. ok… so hes not like the rest of us.. its aan IMAGE! you dont even know how he is in real life.. wwow. whhhat is this world coming to….. hahaha, its quite funny.
LOLLLL That may be an “image” but it’s damn ridiculous. I mean, come ON.
He couldn’t have thought about it just a tad more?
I guess he thinks looking like an ass clown gives him “cred”, but in reality it just makes him look a damn fool.
it may be an “image,” but it’s an image half my students are trying to emulate. He may realize he looks like a blithering idiot, but a) he’s getting hella rich in the process, b) he’s got tons of kids following in his “image,” and c) WE’RE still talking about him…
It?
Racist.
he/she ment the look not the person
It does not…… most guys acctually wish they were as cool and him and they try to dress like him
which is sad.
very.
i just dont understand why people want to dress like this. or act like him, or anything.
um… no we don’t? every guy i’ve talked to about this “look” has agreed: it’s dumb. pants = waist-high, not knee-high. it’s more practical and less gross.
thats wrong in so many ways what is this for a bunch of people to come on here n dawg on people thats his style dont worry bout you aint wearing it
woot i think i just got first (like it really matters, just never happens)
for a while also
I still don’t get the half-butt pants thing. Somebody help me; where is the attraction?
My understanding of it is, that it began in prison. Men who wanted to make themselves available for … “buttsecks” as it is called around here … wore their pants like that as an advertisement.
Why any man would want to go around like that is beyond me.
For buttsecks?
i’ve read that it wasn’t necessarily an advertisement for sex but that they don’t let you wear a belt in prison (presumably so that you can’t beat anyone with it), and consequently lots of inmates have trouble keeping their pants in the upright and locked position.
Actually, I think thy weren’t allowed belts so that they wouldn’t, y’know, kill themselves.
that, too
So, I assume they got used to walking around with their drawers at the knees and thought it was a good idea to do the same when they got outta jail?
Okaaay.
no, i think its supposed to imply that having been to prison makes you gangta, so it eventually evolved into a fashion.
There is a link in my name. You might want to take a look at it, as you are clearly misinformed.
You may also wish to take a look at this picture, since it very obviously describes you.
Well, since for some reason it wont let me post the image address in a comment, I’ll just add it under my name.
xDD “Half-butt pants thing”…
It’s in mourning for fallen rappers
um, does his belt buckle say RAPE?
…
so glad kids look up to him
So it would be ok if kids looked up to him if he pulled his pants up?
Now, I don’t know who this guys is, but it’s really a pretty superficial standard when you assume somebody is a bad role model because his pants are around his arse and he has tattoos.
George Washington Carver is a role model.
Maggie Walker is a role model.
Booker T. Washington is a role model.
Clarence Thomas is a role model.
Bill Cosby is a role model.
The idiot in that photo is no role model, or rather, shouldn’t be.
Wow, sucks that you can’t be a role model and like the current generation’s trends…
You fail your generation, and all those who came before. And probably after, too.
/agree
/agree
/agree
Just because something is a current trend does not make it the best or right thing. Once upon a time it was the trend for women to wear lead powder on their faces. That was an extremly bad idea. See those tear drops on his face? Each one represents a person he killed. Anyone who is proud of the people they kill is not a role model.
“See those tear drops on his face? Each one represents a person he killed.”
Seriously, you don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about. The teardrop tattoo represents a friend who was killed, not somebody he killed.
Get a clue before you try to criticize other people.
Seconded.
i doubt they would have been killed if he wasnt going around puttin caps in other peoples arses.
Actually, that depends on the gang. There are number of Latino gangs where a teardrop on the face does in fact mean you have killed someone.
roll models make trends. real ones. not follow mindless ones.
“Roll” models make bread.
Role models make trends.
I could use a “roll” model right now. Kinda hungry.
No one should look up to someone who makes a living out of degrading women. Kids today…
Sorry, that was supposed to be a reply to the comment right above.:P
Um, I wouldn’t exactly call Bill Cosby a role model. He’s in trouble for drugging many women and having sex with them. I hardly consider that a role model. What a disappointment he turned out to be.
Sources?
He has been *accused* of these things, but as far as I know, he has never been proven to be guilty of any of it.
so… you are the one accusing him?
Thou has spake truth.
There is no way in all that is holy I would let my children look up to him as a role model; and you can bet they aren’t going to dress like that.
A few weeks ago, one of the “playas” was trying to be “G”; his damn pants fell down on him. No problem, except he decided that certain day to go “commando” [no underwear]. All of the spectators stated that “he had NOTHING to show for his actions” [and most of those were females.]
Advice — pull them up. I’m getting sick and tired of seeing the lemonade spill in the front and the nicotine stains in the back.
LOL
Clarence Thomas is NOT a role model. He’s a powerful black man who got his job through reverse discrimination and Congressional gutlessness. He’s one of the worst appointees the Supreme Court has ever had.
Thurgood Marshall, Thomas’ predecessor, was a role model. Clarence Thomas is a disgrace.
There’s no such thing as ‘reverse discrimination’.
Just like there’s no such thing as ‘reverse racism’.
The ‘reverse’ of both cases, would be ‘not’. You either discriminate, or you do not. You are either racist, or you are not.
Google some of his lyrics, I think it’s safe to say he’s a bad role model for kids.
Well that, at least, would be a valid reason to say he isn’t a role model. My point is just that the way he wears his pants is a pretty weak basis on which to decide if he’s a role model. That would just be a question of taste and people are saying he shouldn’t be a role model because they don’t like his fashion sense.
you have to look at the majority of the people that follow such trends.
Stereotypes came from SOMEWHERE
Yes but we’re not talking about the majority of people who follow a trend. We’re talking about an individual and how you judge whether that individual is a good role model or not.
There really is no defense to the argument “guy wears baggy pants, therefore guy is a bad role model.”
Oh, and stereotypes usually come from ignorant people making judgments about other people who they neither know nor make any attempt to understand.
Spot on.
So, I think it’s ridiculous that he’s wearing a pink camo hoodie. Even I don’t wear pink camo, and I’m pretty dang girlie. Also, he has managed to match his belt to his boxers, which is rather interesting (in a circus clown sort of way), and he should be allowed to wear whatever strange getup he wants.
But, it’s not the tattoos or the baggy pants that I object to. My objection is the belt buckle that says “RAPE”. I highly doubt he is promoting rape awareness. Rape is not something that should be glamorized, and I think that his belt buckle should be removed for being really, really offensive (in fact, I’m not sure why it was ever made).
Read the other comments. It’s a BAPE belt, not a rape belt. I don’t think Li’l Wayne is edgy enough to rock a rape belt. And I take back what I said about the comment being removed. (A revised version of my rant is somewhere below.) RamonaQ is perfectly welcome to keep offending people on the internet. That’s practically why God invented the internet.
OOh! ooh! ooh!
Can I PLEASE be 1654643216846135648431354684313513564684 person to point out that it says BAPE and not rape?
Learn. To. Read.
Maybe then your attempts at being the Moral Police will not make you look like a complete idiot.
yes that made me laugh well done
Well, of course “crap” isn’t cultural expression. (Oh, but we musn’t forget Jodorwsky.) We’re talking about rap. Entirely different.
And you’re right, “centuries” was a bit of an exaggeration on the urban line. Then again “relatively recent” is, of course, relative. I’d place the emergence of urban black experience right around Reconstruction, which was in the 19th century. In any case, “centuries” certainly isn’t an exaggeration when it comes to the oppression of black people in the US.
Given that so many African-American men are in prison and the boys are growing up without male role models and on top of that are encouraged by mostly white media executives to play up the role of gangsta, did you really expect anything better than this? People follow the money. And guys like Will Smith don’t have street cred because their kind of image is not the one being pushed along with the crack and the meth and the junk food. It is what it is.
Yeah, and WTF is it with majority-white websites and forums that something like this is always dragged out to start an argument over how to be a proper black person? Like it’s any of Whitey’s business in the first d?!n place?
ok… I’m white…. but wow… ever since I started paying attention to this stuff, it is amazing to me what pops up. FFS, I grew up in the mid to late 80s… I have seen some incredible s?!t worn by white guys… and every time one of those guys is featured here you don’t see the kind of judgmental crap going on, you don’t see black people coming in here saying that the men should get haircuts or something. Get real.
This is an urban trend, not a black trend. This caption is racist because…
Figure it out, jackasses.
His clothing marks him as an attention whore, so yeah, we can make statements about him based on how he dresses. Who really wants to be the sort of man who needs to show off his underwear? Men with real power don’t work so hard to try to offend people he’s never met. This guy is just paid by the media to be a distraction, to keep guys like you from getting out there and changing the world.
Wow, ‘Remove this because it’s offensive’.
Can I get that, because my eyes are offended?
Clever in relation to what?
The other day, my 3 yar old said, “When I’m all grown-up, I’ll make the biggest poop like T-Rex!”
I know Voltaire occasionally resorted to potty jokes, but he balanced with…
Oh, wait. You were probably being sarcastic, no?
Yes, very sarcastic.
Hah… Your child sounds cute though. ^_^
Why, tankee, tankee!
So cute!
There are many people who have had their pants pulled up and no tattoos but shouldn’t be looked to as a role model. You can dress like this guy (looking like a moron while you’re at it, but hey, that’s your decision), and still be a good person and be someone kids can look up to. But I think the fact of having the word “RAPE” as his belt buckle just might be a good indicator to an observer that this man is not an intelligent and morally just person that you would want your children, younger siblings, etc. idolizing.
It says BAPE you pillock, he’s modelling clothes by Bathing Ape who shorten their name to BAPE on logos.
I don’t think that that is really the point though. The point is more so what it outwardly appears to say rather than what it actually says. I asked my roommate and his friends what they thought this said, and they all thought it said “rape” even after mentioning that it wasn’t. It’s poor judgment on the part of the wearer to wear something that can be so easily mistaken. Not to mention all the people who probably don’t know who BAPE even is. Although I will admit that this is good for publicity for them – if it’s good or bad, that’s yet to be determined.
It looks like rape because of the caption, and I’m no expert but I don’t think the caption is really there.
err, i’m pretty sure the sarcasm in that comment was in reference to the buckle maybe saying rape.
my comment was in reference to the fact that it looks like his belt buckle says RAPE. if it was in reference to the fact that his pants are belted beneath his ass, I would have said so.
also, BAPE is an unfortunate name, as when blinged out, it looks like RAPE. I’d reconsider that if I were in marketing.
You know it only actually looks like it says “rape” because the caption goes right over it.
Here’s a link to the actual picture where you can clearly see that it says “BAPE”
http://www.xcomment.com/g1/img/lil_wayne_pink_bape_camo093007041156.gif
still looks rapey to me.
You mean he can’t spell “rape” properly?
I think the comment implied emblazoning “RAPE” on your belt buckle isn’t exactly classy, dude.
It’s not your fault that you don’t know who he is. But I feel I should inform you
This is a rapper. His name is Lil Wayne. He raps about money, cars, women. Usually all in negative aspects. He promotes violence, drugs, and doing illegal activities because it represents the “hood”
this caption is right, our (or at least my, because I am black) parents/grandparents did not fight for him to be our role model
That is a perfectly logical argument. I was posting in response to people saying he’s a bad role model because his pants are low and he has tattoos. Making a judgment based on the things he does and says is what we should all do, instead of making a judgment based purely on how he looks.
That’s all I was trying to say.
I think you are totally missing the point. People are saying “he looks stupid” because he’s wearing his pants that way. People are saying “he’s a bad role model because of the subject matter of his “music.” [I put music in quotations because it requires the proficient or intentionally artistic use of musical instruments to be music, or at least have "singing" rather than "speaking"]
forgot a quotation mark after “model”
Random House Unabridged Dictionary: “MUSIC: an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.”
For the record, to any musician you may speak to, voice is considered an instrument.
…and whether or not you like his style, it IS music. =)
Last I checked, his “music” only fulfilled one out of four of those criteria (since it says “and,” and not rhythm, melody, harmony, “or” color). Thx for playing k bye
Which do you not see/hear? Because I could point them all out for you.
Being raised in a home full of music (jazz, classical, mulit-lingual,
ect.), I will agree that he’s onlyfulfilled one of those four
requirements.
Speaking, in itself, does not create a melody. Neither does it
create a harmony to accompany the melody. The voice is
considered an instrument when there are different tones &
pitches that are created from the constriction of the vocal
cords and the breath sent over them to create that tone & pitch.
As far as color? His skin color doesn’t automatically determine
what style of music he might attach himself to. Nor does it mean
that he conveys his thoughts (or the writers) completely.
To say that he “represents” the young urban black male, is not
totally accurate, either. I know of some (not all) that live this
lifestyle he speaks of on his CDs because they choose to.
Collectively, young urban black males are not all like this. The area
I live in is considered the “hood”. I also find that there are college
students who rent houses & apartments in this area because they
are trying to better themselves and currently cannot afford to
live in other neighborhoods because of the price of rent.
All in all, he does NOT create music with any part of his being.
He speaks in a rhythm (the only element of music as defined
above) to someone else creating music with other instruments.
You might want to consider trends in experimental music since the 1920s, which have re-examined what constitutes musicality in itself. Cage’s ’4:33′ is among the most radical challenges to what can be deemed musical, and Li’l Wayne (and/or those who write his material) certainly falls much closer to what we might conventionally recognize as music than 4 minutes of “silence.” Also, there are indeed melodic (prosodic) elements to speech (which is not what rap is), which could also conceivably qualify as musical. Why are we so invested in closing the boundaries of aesthetic possibility? Why not try to recognize the value of innovation, even if at first it seems valueless? It never hurts to suspend one’s conventional understandings of things in order to approach them from a different perspective.
I think I love you <3
Um, there is nothing wrong with rap in and of itself. It’s no worse than beat poetry, which I notice no one condemns. I am not gonna sit here and say I’m rap’s biggest fan or that I pay close attention to the genre but there is much there to appreciate that I’ve heard in my 35 years of life. Some of it sucks but some of it is really, really good.
it’s be funnier if it did.. but it’s Bape. A brand full of ridiculously overpriced clothes. kind of like Hollister for the rap scene.
It says BAPE, its the brand of jacket, boxers, belt, and jeans he is wearing.
And his tattoos, and edumucation and probably dental work … all provided by RAPE … er … BAPE.
I think it says ‘Bape”. Look at the ‘see all captions’ link. It might be rape though. Wtf is Bape?
No, it say’s BAPE.
They make overpriced Camo print hoodies & related belts / undies.
Before you jump to conclusion, you might want to look closer. It says Bape. As in the clothing line.
Yes, it does say RAPE. And yes , kids do look up to him. It’s very, very sad,
It says BAPE…its a clothing brand…he may be a walkin stereotype but even he wouldnt wear something THAT tasteless
Idk, he has “Bang Bang!” and “MOB” tattooed on his chest. I think the Joker was more tasteful than this guy.
The Joker was a classy killer, at least. He even got a few nice laughs out of it.
And even his victims had a huge smile afterward.
Bape: it’s what his does to impressionable minds.
“Fought to win for you?”
What does that even mean?
And his drawers are up, his pants are not.
What do you mean, “what does that mean?” Over 100 years of oppression and slavery, followed by the civil rights movement (which in and of itself is still a work in progress), and you ask a question like “what does that mean???” Click my name. Or better yet, open a history book. Lil’ Wayne isn’t exactly the definition of a fine, upstanding black man. He really should be ashamed.
If I’m not mistaken, did those people not fight for freedom? In which case it is what they fought for because it is his choice to dress that way without being persecuted. Or is your definition of freedom defined by the morals and views of those who fought for it? Because if that’s the case than that ideal is no different than the one that was originally fought against and will ensure nothing but another war for another generations definition of choice and freedom. It makes nothing but hypocrits of the vetrans and those who fought for freedom if it worked your way.
Last time I checked, being a slave to the ghetto culture going around these days is a pretty crappy version of “freedom”
And yet, whites are slaves to other fashions, including beauty ideals. Were all slaves to something. Get over it.
*claps*
*seconds the claps*
I loathe to say it, because I don’t really like this style, but he has every right to dress/do/say/feel/look however he wants. It’s the same lawys that let you be you.
I, myself, enjoy being the biggest nerd possible. Other people don’t like this. Should I be ashamed because my forefathers fought for the right for me to wear what I want? Admittedly, his style is very offensive and disrespectful to people and life in general, but it’s his choice/regret later in life. You know?
I just realized I should never, ever speak until I’ve had coffee. And I’m out.
You’re right, he does have every right to dress like a douche if he wants to. With that, the rest of us have every right to point out he looks like a douche. Just because he is LEGALLY allowed to do something doesn’t mean the rest of society has to accept/support it. Legally I can open a restaurant where all the food tastes like feces. I may even be able to convince some people that it’s “hardcore” to eat it cause it shows how brothers in the hood didn’t get to go to classy restaurants or have mothers who knew how to cook right, but if you think that the rest of society shouldn’t label you as tasteless for seeking out and eating at that restaurant, then you’re just kidding yourself.
Your forefathers didn’t fight for you to wear whatever you wanted. They got together on the sly and wrote a declaration and let someone else fight the war for them, then retired on their plantations.
But if you want to be all rah-rah-america about it, the right to wear stupid clothes is not enshrined in the Constitution and if that’s the only “freedom” you care about, I feel sorry for you.
OH NO WHITEY IS BEING OPPRESSED TOOOOOO!!!
oh please. spend a year on a cotton plantation getting the s?!t beaten out of you, then spend a year in Mississippi in a shack living on nothing and getting the s?!t beaten out of you, then move to a Northern or a Western big city and live in the ghetto getting your a?! shot off first time you reach for your wallet and come back and tell me how hard you have it being a “slave” to fashion.
um…take your own advice.
When was the last time YOU were on a cotton plantation?
I’m not black. I’m not white. I haven’t been “oppressed” by the governemtn or by society…I got enough of that in other ways.
But to assume anyone who isn’t fawning all over a “gangsta” wannabe has never endured hardship is just plain ignorant.
A choice between various kinds of crap is still a choice. Those guys ARE free. Besides they’re not ”traped”, the other options are harder to get for them but they’re still there. Those guys are free.
Now, if we’re talking about equality, dignity and respect, it’s different.
It doesn’t even matter if he’s an upstanding black man or not.. he just needs to be an outstanding man in general. We could all use improvements.
Now, Jesus Christ, there was a fine, upstanding black man.
And look what it got HIM
lolz
But Gary…Jesus was white.
Jesus was closer to black than he was to white. Jesus was born in the middle east, which would make him look…well, it would make him look like the people we’re currently killing for oil.
Avenue Q reference fail.
Too bad Jesus wasnt real, then there would actually be a reason for this arguement. Arguing about the color of Jesus’ skin is like arguing the length of legolas’ elf ears…
Nasa didn’t really land on the moon! It was all done in a studio!
No, I don’t really believe that crap, but trust me, 2000 years from now, there will be just as much evidence preserved that Neil Armstrong really existed as there is now that Jesus existed.
If even that much at all. Just something to think about.
Jesus did live, and he was important, but he just wasn’t the son of God.
Please don’t flame me for not believing, any devout Christians who happen to be reading this…
But most folks in the Middle East don’t look black at all! I’ve been there, they look a little like Mexicans.
Guys, Guys…Jesus…was Jewish
Ahahahahahahahhaah!
His drawers are up? Since when was a man’s belly button half way up his torso you maniac! He’s black, not from Chernobyl.
Rofl …..Chernobyl… >_<
That was good.
Really good.
No, it says BAPE. I had to google it myself to be sure. I thought it said ‘rape’, too. It’s a brand.
Still looks idiotic…and I can’t even comment on the fool wearing the belt.
Very true. You would hope that people would have better judgment on wearing something that could be EASILY mistaken for the word “rape”, as many of us thought it said.
Are you kidding? Thanks for the censorship advice, mein fuhrer.
“Sick of It’ suggested that wearing the belt buckle pictured was not good judgment. Censorship would be when the government imprisons people who wear tasteless belt buckles. There’s a difference.
That was an asinine distinction to make on a comment that was obviously hyperbole. Social Censorship is when we subject others to ridicule for their choices, it’s not simply the act of making such censorship a legal issue.
So yeah, there’s a difference, but you clearly don’t understand it. The idea here is that “Sick of It” is blaming Lil’ Wayne because he/she was too ignorant to read the belt buckle clearly. If you were thinking clearly, you’d see that this is every shade of ridiculous.
“Social Censorship is when we subject others to ridicule for their choices,”
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No, that would be freedom of speech.
imp and Tessie–
Noted. The way things are going, “Social Censorship” will be redefined as “hate speech” which is already in some quarters a perceived, if not actual, criminal act. Ironically, such regulation is actual, no-bones-about-it Censorship (government punishing people for the words they say).
“Nineteen Eighty-Four” was supposed to be a warning, not a textbook.
See my nick. I fought for this jackass’ right to wear that stupid crap. I also fought for others’ right to call stupid crap “stupid crap” when they recognize it.
Please feel free to report me to the Thought Police once Lord Messiah Obama creates them.
Social censorship is a perfectly valid mode of influence. If someone is being a sexist a?!hat, people *should* speak up and make him feel bad for it.
Amen to that. Actually, there’s a pretty good poem about crap like this at http://shadowknight313.deviantart.com/art/Indictment-of-Color-30757374
Excellent poem. Well written, but heartbreaking in its truth.
Off to read the poem, probably the best thing about reading this page of comments.
Full link is above, in part the poem is:
“Minute by minute, our culture is dying…
Shot through its heart by the media whores
the “sell-outs”, so to speak, whou give up their dignity
for paltry sums of cash dropped into their laps.
The trained circus beasts on the television screen
who jump through the hoops of conformity
blindly following, like lemmings to sea
because not one of them is man enough to lead…
Us… Out of the darkness of ignorance past
and into the brilliance of a future freed
of the bonds, the silent suffering of those
too afraid to reach out and take knowledge by the hand.”
And could apply to any culture. Any.
I half expected the poem to be “We Real Cool”.
that should be the caption for this pic!
Yeah, that is a good poem. Folks like this guy in the picture should wake up and realize that this ridiculous crap only reinforces the views of the extremely racist who think that people of African origin are next to gorillas and chimpanzees and always will be. This is an unfortunate POV that I don’t agree with, but I’m sure anyone can see where it’s an idea that people like this idiot only reinforce themselves – it does turn the clock back, in a sense, and no, I don’t believe people like Martin Luther King Jr had this sort of thing, and its result, in mind.
People of color are in no way obliged to present themselves in such a way as to be deemed “acceptable” by whites. It is the sole responsibility of the bigot to educate himself. Do you plan your outfits around how you think people of color will perceive them? No? Why should blacks have that burden, then?
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have any self-respect and actually dress decently. I know there can be no real way to define what should be “respectably”, but despite whether it’s his choice to dress like that or not, one should at least give some sort of care for themselves. It doesn’t have to be about looking good in someone else’s eyes, but there’s a point where common sense kicks in and “You shouldn’t wear that.” comes to forethought. At least, it should, but not in this man’s case who has decided instead to follow I blind, tasteless trend that is only for his “street cred”. The point is, people fought, died, and lived horrible lives. The least he could do is show some respect for them. Not his friends, not the more dignified of society (using “dignified” loosely here), but for those that cared enough about the future of their race.
No, no, I don’t think there is a defined “decent” and “indecent” way in which to dress. I absolutely hate rap music, because there is no music involved [you have to have instruments] and there is no singing [there is spoken word, I guess] and the subject matter [unless we're talking about Mike Franti etc.] is usually deplorable and degrading, but I have no problem with the way he dresses. You shouldn’t care about how he dresses unless he exposes his genitals or something, you should care about the quality of his character. In this case, it has much t be desired.
If you wear a white facepaint with a wig, red rubber nose and large red rubber shoes, pants with a hula hoop in the waist and suspenders to hold it up, all in gaudy colors, then people will not assume you’re going to attempt to give a dissertation on quantum mechanics at mensa, they will assume you are a clown or trying to be one.
Same thing is true for this.
That doesn’t mean you can’t in fact give a dissertation on quantum physics at Mensa. Buncha blowhards need a little shaking up anyhow.
“People of color are in no way obliged to present themselves in such a way as to be deemed “acceptable” by whites.”
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This is true. It is also true that the concept of “cool”, for young people of any race, includes a certain self-destructive element. It’s something of a slippery slope, and I didn’t always have the maturity to handle it in my teens. I don’t wish to be an apologist for bigots, or to suggest that anyone is obligated to be “a credit to their race”. However, I do think that we as a society might be better off if fewer young people (of any ethnicity) died as a result of self-destructive behavior.
It’s so tempting to say “Or a a few more… thin the herd!”
Of course people of color are obliged to present themselves in a way deemed acceptable by whites, the same way WHITE people are obliged to present themselves in a way deemed acceptable by whites and blacks alike, or at least any of the members of those groups who are contributing members of society.
White people don’t come to any different conclusion on viewing this getup than colored people do. Both of those groups recognize that the image that this guy is trying to project is “I am a thug”
What bothers me is that for some odd reason, colored people seem to add “and that’s just what I want to be like”
Hell, even cliche biker wear (the closest “white” example I can think to this) at least projects personal responsibility on top of being a badass. The tight jeans and leather jacket aren’t just to look cool, they’re part of basic safety wear to help survive an accident when driving a motorcycle. Now there are more up to date bikewear than jeans and leather, but back then, it’s what was available.
On top of that, the cliche associated with biker wear has evolved since its inception. A LOT of the guys I’ve seen who dress like that are middle aged family guys who just want to cut loose a little, look a little baddass and otherwise are pretty decent guys who follow basic rules of society and don’t try to cause trouble. The closest thing I’ve seen for that in ghetto wear has been Fresh Prince of Bel Air and if anything, it’s only backslid since then.
No, people of color are not obliged to present themselves in a way deemed acceptable by whites. If you had any idea the amount of baggage inherent in your statement, I would hope you would not make it.
I am not saying I like the guy’s outfit but it is none of my business. Rap fans never bothered me about the rock bands I enjoyed as a kid and they easily dressed just as stupid as this guy does, if a bit less flashy. I would think I could pay them the same courtesy they paid me.
Look at it this way, he’ll be horrified enough if he lives to be forty and has to explain to grandkids what all the tattoos mean. They’ll be a b?!ch to remove, too, because he’s black and will probably scar a lot due to the greater amount of melanin in his skin.
“Fought to win for you” would be referring to the Civil Rights movement.
As for the rest of your criticism, geographical semantics.
Tip o the hat to you.
Thanks for getting to that. I wouldn’t have been as nice.
I have a feeling it’s not going to STAY so nice…
I like things that are true.
Yeeesh, this website is SO white.
If you feel that way, perhaps you should counter it.
As BET was an answer to MTV, if you will, LOL style.
You can’t even speak English can you?
Um… am, was, and do.
“You can’t even speak English can you?”
This one is worthy of the Fail blog.
agreed
Wow. You really ARE an idiot aren’t you?
Except that BET actually plays music videos…
And has the poetry SLAMs, which come close to beign lyrics.
BET win over the increasing MTV fail…
Awesome’d!
This site is not ignorant African American, I think thats what you mean.
Just couldn’t bring yourself to sling the N-bomb, could ya?
srsly. this post reeks of white privelage.
How exactly? Because it couldn’t have been made by a black man or woman ashamed by what these pop icons have come to? I fail to see how this reeks of anything other than major dissent for people that have no self-respect or respect for their ancestry. It’s absolutely pitiful.
The comments certainly reek of white privilege, including yours.
Wow, get over it. They’re talking about one person, not the whole race. There are plenty of upstanding African Americans worthy of being good role models. This particular guy though, is not. Just like most of those others that preach on drugs, sex, and alcohol. I don’t think anyone wants their children to aspire to be drug dealers.
Now, on the other hand, an African American man, such as the man that the movie The Pursuit of Happyness was based upon, who worked hard and honestly for his place in life, who could have easily turned to dealing drugs, or something of the like, but did not, is a true role model. That is a man who should really represent what his forefathers won all those years ago. Not “Lil’ Wayne”.
No, this website apparently has a readership that is not only intelligent but has at least SOME sense of class.
Unlike the example above, and you.
I’m sorry, but I thought they fought for freedom? There is a good quote that says: “Can you tell me what exactly does freedom mean, if i’m not free to be as twisted as I want to be.”
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I am not one to dress or tatoo myself like that, but why do you care if he does? Or should’nt people have the freedom the express themselves the way they want to?
Well, there is something called “indecent exposure” and morality clauses to laws.
We are not ‘free to be as twisted as we want to be’.
Your freedoms end where someone else’s begin.
You have the right – as does the young man in the photo – to dress and act however you please.
You do not, however, have the right to force other people to have to look at see your… expressions.
“Well, there is something called “indecent exposure” and morality clauses to laws.
We are not ‘free to be as twisted as we want to be’.
Your freedoms end where someone else’s begin.
You have the right – as does the young man in the photo – to dress and act however you please.
You do not, however, have the right to force other people to have to look at see your… expressions.”
Seriously, your dumb is so massive it can be seen from space.
Actually, that’s a political philosophy fact – you have a right to an opinion, but no one has a responsibility to listen to it.
I agree, but where did I say or even START to indicate that that was what I was trying to get across? No one even brought it up before Raymona did in lack of actual arguments = \
TROLL!!! EEE!!
There is no right not to be offended. He’s not exposing anything and underwear is not inherently indecent. And morality cannot and should not be legislated.
That being said, I don’t think that Lil’Wayne is what Martin Luther King Jr. had in mind when he worked so hard for civil rights, but on the other hand, I judge the man up there by the content of his character (not so great, actually) so I guess that is progress, eh?
Eh, I find the pastels inherently indecent, myself :p
Mocking and derisive commentary is not a violation of anyone’s freedom.
That’s not what I’m trying to say either, I’m just arguing the point of the cation.
You can see pubic hair. That is indecent exposure.
That’s not pubic hair. His underwear aren’t even sitting low enough on his hips for you to see it.
What you’re seeing is the “happy trail” (Runs from the belly button to just above the pubic bone.) that quite a few people have. Most people have very fine hair on their lower stomachs, with some it’s a bit darker than others.
…you misspelled. It’s ‘rape music’, not ‘rap music’.
Agreed in principle, although the concept liberty has become a bit one-sided of late. What with responsibility being the price of freedom and such. While one is technically entitled to make a total arse of oneself, one should consider the consequences and, if still willing to make an arse of oneself, bear them. Public ridicule is just what the doctor ordered here.
That said I hold “indecent exposure” legislation to be stupid. The right of an individual to being naked in public is obviously superior to some bogus right of “not being forced to look”, because a right to not being offended would immediately end human life altogether, given that it is possible to find somebody who is offended by anything.
Still, I would feel pissed if I had to go through the crap the Civil Rights Movement had to go through, so that some ugly kid could prance around in his undies and in pink camo in any place other than a CSD parade.
The only comment I have is that you’re making it sound like Lil Wayne is the only thing that the Civil Rights Movement has managed to acomplish (spelling). You may say we have Lil Wayne on one side, and your future presiden Barak Obama on the other side. It’s not like the ONLY thing the Civil Rights Movement managed to do was to let Lil Wayne ‘prance around in his undie and in pink camo’.
We could find a hell of a lot more white people that ‘make arses of themselves’ if we are going to put it into a bit of a perspective.
I don’t mind Lil Wayne, and I personally believe that if Martin Luther King Jr. or any of the people that fought for equal rights saw the entire specrum of what black people today are doing, everyone from Obama to Lil Wayne; I really don’t think he would mind that Lil Wayne dresses and acts the way he does.
As I said, I generally agree with your point. It is just that I think that liberty requires responsibility and that recently liberty is being confused with some odd ‘because I can’-philosophy. If somebody dresses in what is clearly intended to be a provocative fashion then that person (or somebody endorsing that clothing choice) cannot be surprised if the clothing choice causes comment.
I have difficulties to put a finger on what particularly irks me about the photo and makes me fell the caption to be justified, but I guess I perceive Mr. Wayne’s clothing choice as reintroducing negative racial stereotypes that may replace the ones the Civil Rights Movement have sought to overcome. That is where I believe is the main difference to the many many white people that behave similarly ridiculously. I am no expert on this matter and it may be that I just made a total arse of myself, so feel free to point this out.
No, I don’t believe you did, and it might be my being part of a younger generation (I am 18 from Norway), but I don’t see that as particularly provocative clothing. It is taking the getto fashion a bit to far with 3/4 of your boxer shorts showing, but putting that aside, most people today my age (at least here in Norway), would not take any particular notice to how he is dressed. The hip hop and hip hop accepting comunity is so large world wide today, that the way he dresses is to me just trying to take the next step in that fashion style, again, not saying that I would dress like this, but that he didn’t do it provoke, so much as to be ahead of the curve in the hip hop fashion.
I am well aware of the fact that calling this fashion can be provocative to a lot of you, but then again, we could go back countless generations, and the previous one would condemn the new ones fashion and moral values and so on, thus in my eyes justifying this new trend that is so hated by the older generations.
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I do see your point about enforcing negative steriotypes again. But his community is so large and includes both rich and poor people, that I would be surprised if he were to adjust what he thinks is cool in order not to anger people outside the community. The main clue is that he dresses like that because he likes dressing like that, not like emo-kids who dress to provoke.
So finishing off the rant.. Live and let live you know, I don’t see why people care so much if someone dresses up completly opposite to what they would do. It’s not like there will ever be passed racist laws or anything of the sort in a society as diverse as the one we live in today anyways, is it?
Want to hear my favorite I (and indeed only) joke in Norwegian? I have to resort to some phonetic approximation, but I hope it is understandable:
Alle gutter brukte condome, untatt Hanning, hen brukt en presanning.
I am not in favor of ending indecent exposure laws for three reasons. One, I want to be able to explain human sexuality to my daughter on my own time and in my own terms without her having to see some dude pop a boner in public. Two, rape is practically legal in the United States as it is, and we don’t need to go around making it easier for anyone to commit–I mean, at least clothes are usually in the way now. Three, we already have a LOT of trouble conveying sexual intent signals to one another in a way that all parties understand; imagine how it would be if we had no clothes in the way to force us to communicate and negotiate. Add to that the fact that a guy will frequently pop a boner for no reason at all, especially if he’s young, and you have the potential for a hell of a lot of confusion, misunderstanding, hurt feelings, and possibly legal trouble.
You freedom-at-all-costs types don’t usually think these things through. I don’t get it.
I’m sorry.. but he’s wearing clothes. For the love of god. He’s not even showing pubic hair or ANYTHING remotly indecent. Why don’t we go down to the beach and arrest everyone there for indecent exposiure while were at thinking like you just did? -.-
This would be a place for
SUPPORT UNDERGROUND MUSIC!!!
Sorry, had to be said.
Is it a good idea to reinforce negative stereotypes? He might be “free” to do that, but do any of these types stop and think about the possible consequences of their “free” actions?
what consequences does him dressing in a way that appeals to his audience have?
Does his belt buckle say “RAPE” ?!? Great! Let’s -advertise- felonies to children! What a great idea!
Who lets these people out in public?
Who lets these people out of the womb!
Sometimes I really do believe there should be a test you should have to pass before you’re allowed to reproduce. Idiots should NOT be allowed to have babies. Not saying his parents are idiots, just that the idiocy shoud end with him.
At first glance, it looks like it says “RAPE” but as pointed out by a previous poster – something you obviously failed to notice – is that it says “BAPE.” A very easy, painless and quick way to investigate this further is to do like others and I, and do a search for information. Via Google, the first link will likely be bape.com, a web site for what appears to be a clothing company based in Japan. From that, it can be deduced that the name/word (bape) has a different meaning in Japanese.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Lil’ Wayne wears/wore it because it appears to say “rape.” I respect what Ramona is saying. To me, it’s not an issue of personal freedoms, but the overall message.
Or, they could just click “recaption” and look at the image without that section obscured.
It says BAPE…its a clothing brand…he may be a walkin stereotype but even he wouldnt wear something THAT tasteless
So, by this right, he’s the American Dream personified?
ALL HAIL THE KING OF AMERICA!!!
/sarcasm
ROFL WORD! ! ! ! :0)
You guys take things WAYYYYYYY too seriously. Stop wasting your time being concerned with how another person presents himself; be it by the clothes he\she wears, the tattoo’s on their body or even behavior their behavior at that.
You first, love, seeing as you’re concerned enough about all of us calling a man (who, might I add is a complete stranger to you) a horses ass to leave a comment telling us to stop. After all, it’s all in fun.
WIN
Actually this is exactly what his grandparents and parents fought for. It’s called Freedom.
amen. I don’t personally care for his style, but he has the freedom (in areas that haven’t instituted a dress code banning it) to wear it
eeeeexactly! i am tired of people being so closed minded.
Without the closed-minded folks humanity goes the way of evolution…away.
Yes, his grandparents fought for freedom, but do you really think they would be proud of what he has chosen to do with it? They fought and died for the freedom to have the same chances, same lives, as white people in our society. They fought for his chance to go to the same college as a white man. They fought for his chance to earn the same salary as a white man. They fought to prove that black people were not mentally, genetically and morally inferior to white people, as so many white people believed they were.
This man, like so many others in his generation, has taken the gift of freedom and spat on it. Because of the lyrics of songs like his, white people have been allowed to go right back to believing what THEIR grandparents believed. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would be (and probably is) rolling in his grave over this.
I support his right to do what he wants, wear what he wants, and say what he wants. But how can you say he is living the life his grandparents’ fought for?
Lol. Nice boxers.
What? The pastels are SO tasteless. ;P
And you know.. he’s only about 100,000% more successful than you.
If you measure success by money then yes. If you measure success by actually contributing something positive to man kind then I’m more successful than he when I use the bathroom.
And THAT, my friends, is a BURN! lol
And a super win!
…Maury Povich…is that you…(shudder)?
Anyone else notice that his boxers match his belt?
Now that’s coordination.
lol people actually dress like this
Yup People do dress like this.. it’s insanity! So dumb. http://www.youcanquotethis.com
This is America, he can dress however he wants, even if it looks really dumb.
…and we can comment on how really dumb we think he looks, whilst he’s dressed that way. But thanks for the Civics lesson.
Gosh, just think of the best selling novel that could have been written with all that ink.
I def. would *not* want to meet him in a dark alley.
lil wayne was rich at 12. he is the american dream. everyone else are just haters.
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the guy is a self-made man. if you don’t like the way he made himself then… well… tough luck…
If by “haters” you mean “actually interested in real music”, then you may be correct.
Yay for musical taste!
“What he represents is the modern-day version of the big lipped, black faced, know nothing porch monkey of a bygone era. ”
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Interesting point. I wonder whether future generations will look at gangsta and thug types and cringe, the way we cringe at Stepin Fetchit stereotypes now.
WIN!!!
You know, this line of thought fascinates me. I can’t count the times that someone has used a phrase similar to “everyone else are just haters” in a posting. In fact, I do believe I saw someone post the claim that anyone who doesn’t like Rachael Ray’s cooking shows/talk show/books, etc. is just jealous of her success.
Funny thing is, I’m not jealous of Rachael Ray *or* Li’l Wayne. Their financial success isn’t in question. I just don’t like Rachael’s silly “EVOO” and “yum-o” verbal affectations and Li’l Wayne’s sprung rhymes.
I feel so much better now….
You leave Rachel out of this. she’s A saint I tell you, A saint!
they fought so he could have the choice weather to dress “acceptably” or not …if he doesnt wanna conform to standards thats his right
Exactly! And I have every right to laugh at him!
And… *again*… it’s our right to say he looks like a disgrace.
No, but they did fight for things like freedom of speech and freedom of expression which are in our constitution. So if this guy wants to look like an idiot and write crappy lyrics, then let him. Whether or not kids look up to him is something completely different. But I really hope not XD
Thank you! I’m glad someone finally said it. They fought for equality and freedom. So he uses his freedom to look like that, that is his problem, but at least he has the freedom to do it, which IS what they fought for. That caption is not only ignorant but offensive too.
Belt fail. srsly. What’s the point?
With the colours on that hoodie and that belt… is it just me or does it look like he got his clothes out of some teen girl’s closet?
Oh my gosh, you’re right!
“White Chicks: The Sequel”?
Just another worthless ghetto n1gg3r. Someone come kill him.
you took my comment! how dare you!
give it a year, two at the most.
Does a black guy have to think of the civil rights movement every time he picks out his clothes? He can wear what he wants to wear.
Ok, Mum… >_>
Well I think it’s probably a wee little bit of the parent’s responsibility what their children are exposed to…..don’t you?
So you can’t just blame this guy who is just doing what the people who give him money tell him to do.
so THEY fought, so YOU can tell THEIR kids what to do?
i may not agree with how he dresses or what he does….but the caption really makes no sense. That is exactly what other generations fought for. They fought so that we could live in a country where we have the right and freedom to express ourselves. Just cause you’re too close minded to accept how others express themselves doesn’t make it wrong. But luckily for you it is also your right to think you know everything and tell others how they should live. So everyone wins and he still gets to dress the way he does, and act the way he does…and make more money than u or I will ever make
“They fought so that we could live in a country where we have the right and freedom to express ourselves.”
So how come no one else runs around with thier underpants hanging out?
I certainly don’t and it says a lot for your self respect. or lack there of
um, plenty of people run around with their shorts hanging out, including white guys. Look around much lately? Even doin it in my little hick town. Unless by no one else, you mean no other country. And regardless, who cares? Get over it
Most of you guys just sound like really old people. This is just a style. You don’t agree with it or appreciate it…whatever. Get over yourselves. And yes, tons of people do this: black, white, hispanic, asian… seen ‘em all.
You sound like an immature brat. This is just a style. You agree with it or appreciate it… whatever. Get over yourself. And yes, tons of people don’t dress like complete morons: black, white, hispanic, asian… seen ‘em all.
this is an incredibly racist post and i’m shocked that more people don’t think so.
yes, the man is a tool. his race and ancestral background has nothing to do with that and i’m ashamed that anyone here would think it acceptable to say that any person is not good enough to be their own race because they are behaving in a way that you deem unacceptable.
i wish he would BAPE some of you d-bags.
You are absolutely right.
If you think the style of trouser wearing has anything to do with what these people fought for, you’re missing the point.
Entirely.
Go back to school, you neanderthal of humanism.
MLK: a nice suit, respect for others and himself, a wish to bring human kind together, a beacon for reason and truth.
here: someone trying to enforce stereotypes, promoting greed and violence, dressed like a creepy housewife.
I don’t see any need for discussion.
Indeed.
No.
They fought so they could be able to treated as equally as any other race, regardless of the situation.
I.E. making as much of an ass of yourself as Courtney Love.
Ugh… have you heard his voice?It sounds like he has something stuck in his throat.And he’s no role model to me!
Uh…. I think that IS what we fought for. The right to do what we want, wear what we want, sing about what we want. I think someone got the concept of freedom waaaay wrong.
The point is, idiot, that his ancestors fought to be RESPECTED, and this behavior is not RESPECTABLE.
The same thing goes for those little sluts who say, “it’s my body, I’ll sleep around if I want.” Women fought for all these years to not be looked at as objects, and then they act like objects…
Hmmm…
Thank you, your point has really summed up the argument. And an argument that wasn’t even part of this until now, but you’re exactly right.
Third wave feminism. Look it up. See also: cultural relativism.
By definition, an object cannot act. Try again.
The word “RAPE” looks kinda scary on a belt around his knees…
He’s advertising the Bape boxers. That’s not that low. Better than something biting your long dong.
All I can say is “Ooooo. Burn.” It’s funny because it’s true.
Actually, this is exactly what everyone who has fought and what hopefully anyone who will continue to fight, fought for. The freedom of speech and expression is a basic American/human right.
To paraphrase:
“I may not agree with what you are saying but, I will defend to the death for your right to say it.”
Damn. Lately it seems this site is full of the elderly makin’ captions. Didn’t know they were into that.
Hooray for the status quo!
I COULDN’T AGREE WITH THIS CAPTION MORE!!!!!
And my God, if he isn’t the ugliest thing I’ve seen I don’t know who is. He’s uglier than Amy Whinehouse after a weekend binge.
Pathetic.
That goes for this idiot, and anyone who really gives a rat’s ass
WHAT he wears.
We have lost IQ just looking at him.
It saddens me that this represents “my” generation. Sorry, but I don’t look up to criminals–or criminal wannabes.
It’s sad.
Indeed. My role model is Bill Gates!
Lil’ Wayne is an example of a cultivated star. His career was initiated and guided by Bryan “Birdman” Williams, starting when Lil’ Wayne was 11. He was cutting albums when he was 15 with the Hot Boys. Without that early association with Birdman, Lil’ Wayne would probably not be where he is today. Personally, I don’t call that ‘self-made’. The clothes, the ink and the attitude all play to a stereotype of African-American men that sells records. White kids buy this stuff to shock their parents, just like they bought bad metal records in the ’80s. The whole gangsta stereotype is tired, just like punk.
If I want imaginative and inventive hip-hop, I’ll stick to Spearhead, Jurassic 5, and OutKast, thanks.
OutKast freakin rocks.
Oo! thanks for the recommendations. I love outkast, but I didn’t know there were ones just as good. Imma go check’em out. Thanks again!
Add Ozomatli to the list, although they’re not strictly hip-hop. They will make you move, though. To reiterate the point: Lil Wayne dresses this way because it sells. If this was the ’60s, he’d be in a suit and tie with conked hair. It’s too bad he doesn’t have the guts and stylistic integrity to buck the dictates of fashion, but then again, not everyone can be Andre 3000. (The man makes his own clothes. Ya gotta have respect for that!)
I love it when people speak sense! ^_^
i freaking hate rap stars… they are so lame they should not be considered cool in any way.
isn’t the fact that he has the God given RIGHT to wear what he pleases what the civil rights movement actually worked towards in the first place? if he had to dress the way whitey tells him wouldn’t that be a failure of the civil rights movement? or is it just that all of you hate rap and black people so much that you want to be little them in away way possible?
Paranoid much?
This guy looks stupid, regardless of his race.
If it were a blond idiot with the exact same get-up,
most comments would be the same.
Wow.
I’m gonna guess MLK would be ashamed FOR him.
P.S.- belittle is one word.
Uhm.
No.
If someone is going to act like an idiot, he should expect to be treated like one, regardless of his race. Stop being paranoid. “Whitey” doesn’t hate black people. You know what I find really attractive? Black people who “act white.” And I put “acting white” in quotes because “acting white” isn’t really real; it’s just a label society has for people who actually want to be intelligent and classy. None of this BS ghetto talk. Sorry, but dressing like an idiot and acting like an idiot will earn you very little respect. Get used to it.
Not all black people act and dress this way… just a lot of them. They play into the “acting black” stereotype. If you don’t want to be stereotyped, don’t be the stereotype. Duh. It’s so logical and simple. Use your brain.
“you know what i find really attractive? black people who “act white”…
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wow. that is a brilliant statement… full of tolerance and understanding…
hate on him because he dresses funny, but don’t say that he is a detriment to the race…
White always means intelligent and classy? Wow. You must not have hung out with some of the white folks I’ve met over the years.
You two both fail. As I said, “acting white” isn’t real. My point was that I find people like Will Smith and Tyra Banks attractive. They don’t act stupid and play into the “black” STEREOTYPE.
Please, learn how to read.
Thanks.
amen
If this guy wants to parade around in his pastel man panties then go right ahead! All the tattoos in the world won’t make him appear more manly in that get-up.
This has absolutley nothing to do with race and everything to do with that some of the more popular fashions in today’s culture look like they were created by a 6 year old wtih a pair of saftey sissors and the fabric just so happened to be recycled from a trannie outfit. He has the right to wear the clothing, but it doesn’t mean that some of us do not have the right to think that he looks like a dumbass.
I mean, hell, my hair at the moment is kelly green. I have the right to look like this, but that doesn’t mean that I do not expect other people to think that I look like I went swimming in bleach.
He probably thinks that he looks fantab-ulous! I think that he looks silly.
Rah
A while back, I was in the ER, and in the cubicle next to us was a young male who was in for a “checkup.” Seems he’d been shot, in the heart, the year before, and the trauma team had somehow saved him. And since he had no concept, much less responsibility or insurance, he returned to the ER for his occasional checkups…
He became rather offended when I suggested that if he wore his pants so that he could run and duck that he might have avoided getting shot…
As much as someone being shot is not funny i have got to admit that what you said to him made me lol for a long time.
whenever i see someone who wears their jeans like that i have the urge to pull them up for them lol. it cant be comfortable surely. I mean jeans are made so they sit on the hips or so im led to believe. so somehting tied in the middle of your thigh must take a bit of getting used to. Each to thier own tho. He not doign anyone any harm dressed the way he is lol. Apart from to thier retinas maybe with that colour of pink lol
Oh right, like people can just walk down to the supermarket and buy health insurance. Ever heard of something called money? Something else called a pre-existing condition?
being shot in the heart isn’t a pre-existing condition.
and getting a job would solve the health insurance issue.
duh.
it’s called personal responsibility.
This TJ person who keeps commenting and whoever backs him up is a supreme dumbass… the tear drop thing probably isn’t people he killed because he’s a poser… but that’s what they are SUPPOSED TO MEAN MORON! way to say incredibly ignorant things you absolute piece. any kid who would look up to lil’ wayne is also a worthless piece.
that said.
Great captions!
Wow, y’all sure are letting your racism fly up in here. TJ, you are one of the few people here who seems to have any sense at all. Thank you for remembering that freedom of expression is also something Li’l Wayne’s grandparents fought for. Just because you can’t or don’t appreciate hip hop, or hip hop that celebrates a certain lifestyle, doesn’t make it any less valid as an aesthetic expression. And anyone who would cite Bill Cosby — or, inevitably, Obama — as an appropriate black role model: the suggestion is a wholesale misunderstanding of the entire history of black America. “Ghetto culture” is a product of that history, and until you recognize the political and economic forces that have shaped it — especially the cultural and educational subjugations that have organized the experiences of poor, urban blacks for *centuries* — your opinion (to which, of course, you are perfectly entitled) will reek of ignorance. I don’t particularly care for Li’l Wayne, but I would never dream of making this kind of entitled, patriarchal pronouncement.
All that said, RamonaQ’s caption is offending me something fierce. And she’s perfectly welcome to keep right on offending me. Thank you, Li’l Wayne’s grandparents!
(My apologies if this posts twice. Browser and/or cursing malfunction.)
And this is the point that people are trying to make – to lionize this “ghetto culture” is to reinforce the ideas that real white racists do hold. I have been given a 10 year long look into the mind of one, and the best I can sum it up is to use the old miniseries “V” as a metaphor.
For anyone who doesn’t remember it, the plot summary is thus. An alien race comes to Earth, presenting itself as quite human in appearance, well-dressed and mannered and using honeyed words of peace and fellowship to be accepted by the people of Earth. In reality, these aliens were a reptilian race in disguise, who really came here to use mankind as food – and they managed to fool everyone. By the time the truth was discovered, it was too late.
My (paranoid delusional racist) ol’ man thinks of black people in much the same way. To him, men like Cosby, Obama, and yes, even King were like the reptilians in disguise, using honeyed words of peace and fellowship to lull “everybody else” into allowing blacks a strong enough position where they can get revenge on centuries of slavery and racism by killing, raping and enslaving all non-blacks – and scratch any of them, you’ll find a gangsta underneath just itching to get out. You would not believe how much Obama’s coming of power truly terrifies him.
It’s difficult to counter his argument (and the argument of people who think more or less like him) when the black culture presented as mainstream is NOT that of King, but that of Lil Wayne and other “gangsta rappers” who glorify killing, rape and other destructive anti-social behaviour. This is NOT a good thing, and it IS counter-productive to what King and others fought for. All it does is engender more fear and racism of the sort that King was trying to eliminate. One does NOT gain respect for themselves or the people they purport to represent by being blatantly disrespectful in every which way possible (to the self, to one’s own race, and to society in general). For any decent, positive black individual I can present to him, he can present a dozen gangstas, black racists and walking negative stereotypes that prance across the TV screen who ARE making millions from perpetuating this damaging image, because other (mostly black) folk are buying into it.
All I can do when he gets on his bandwagon is to throw up my hands and say “I see your point.” Then, and only then, will he shut the hell up and leave me in peace to withdraw inside myself and tell myself he’s wrong, and to squash the nasty little seeds he was trying to implant into my beleaguered soul.
One may have the freedom promote the gangsta lifestyle, look, and attitude, but it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to do it. The reaction against it can be quite frightening indeed!
I appreciate your thoughtful response. And I respectfully disagree. Not unlike your ol’ man, my father is horrified by homosexuality, and I’m sure he secretly believes they’re crab people waiting to enslave the heterosexual world. I don’t think that means networks shouldn’t broadcast, or that gay men shoudn’t be proud of ‘Queer eye for the straight guy.’ Yeah, my dad might be horrified by the very thought of homosexuality, and ‘Queer eye’ might reinforce all of his fears. But networks shouldn’t stop airing it for that reason alone. (It’s kind of a boring show
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So while I certainly don’t condone, say, drive-by shootings or violence against women, I don’t think there is a necessary or essential connection between actual violence and musical or stylistic depictions of violence. (Plenty of people who object to gangsta rap have no problem with Jack Bauer’s brand of violence, for instance.) There’s clearly a heavy dose of marketing (more often than not toward affluent white youth) involved in mainstream hip hop, but there are also some very critical, social reasons for which gangsta rap (if not its autotuned progeny) emerged in the first place. (Any Dead Prez album will spell these reasons out quite literally.) There’s an important class dimension here that gets lost in discussions of race: when hip hop emerged it wasn’t just black music, it was *poor*, urban black music. Every generation constructs an outer territory to what is acceptable expression — a couple generations ago this included ‘The story of O,’ which was considered smut at best, and which is now critically acclaimed as classic erotica. Such constructions tend to indicate those social outcasts who are most feared — the perverse in the case of ‘O,’ angry black men in the case of Li’l Wayne’s more interesting counterparts. Rather than condemning outright any and all expressions of gang violence in black men, I think it’s much more valuable to place them in context, and to be aware of the ideology that would welcome only articulate, middle class black men into the circle of acceptability. (For anyone interested in seeing an example of when educated middle class white men did a great job of depicting and analyzing black American urban culture, check out all five seasons of ‘The wire,’ which is by far the single greatest achievement in American pop culture of all time. /hyperbole) America supposedly values its diversity. That’s got to include even those differences we kind of fear or don’t understand. We have to give people the respect to elect the terms in which they want to depict and respect themselves. There can be differences within the category of black, among gays, among men, among whites. It’s cool.
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(Who knew Lolcelebs would turn into a forum for discourse a wee bit more developed than “First!”?)
(Apologies for unfinished sentences. Too drunk and too tired to proof read.)
Also drunk at the moment, so please excuse any problems with my posting, and perhaps, logic, but I will try to be as articulate as possible under the circumstances.
I appreciate your agreeing to disagree without a mindless flame, first of all.
ANd I don’t necessarily disagree with what you are saying, either. It is,
after all, important for the underclass (any underclass) to try to explain
its position to the mainclass at large. And, no, I don’t think there is a
big link between “make-believe” violence and real-life violence. Remember
the beltway shooters of seven or eight years ago? The first thing everyone
thought was “violent video games are to blame”. Being offended by this, as
a (female) liker of rather nasty video games (as a safe outlet for latent
aggression) and being a big-mouthed wag on top of it, I called in to CNN
to blame it on hunting culture (after all, they were hiding in some kind of
“blind” and shooting at their targets from an unseen position of safety –
said they were doing nothing more than any hunter did!)
That being said …
I’m sure that Lil Wayne here is successful enough to get away with wearing
whatever the hell he wants, no matter what I or anyone else here thinksof it. That’s fine. And I have learned from experience that sometimes the scariest-looking people can be the nicest. I was stuck hitchhiking home from Edmonton
last year, and was stuck on the side of the road outside of the first town
outside of it on the highway I was on all night, and everything was closed.
I saw a car pass by, going down a side road, that was banging. I thought they had guns. They made a second pass, and stopped to ask me where I was
going. I told them, and they said it was pretty far, they were locals. I wouldn’t have been any better off in the next town than where I was. They left.
A while later (dont’ have a watch, dunno how long) I see a bicycle appraoching from town. Having nowhere to run, I had to face this person. It was the passenger in the aforesaid car. He looked like a punker reject,
head shaved in patches, hair sticking up here and there, face like Popeye, army gear clothing. Scariest person I’ve ever seen. He was bringing
me some hot food, some coffee, a wind-up flashlight, and two kinds of
cigarettes (tobacco and the left-handed kind, which people don’t generally give away. Yeah, I do indulge, and I look like the sort who does. It was
VERY much appreciated.) We had a nice chat for most of the night – not a wrong move did he make. Very, very good person. The people who picked me up come daylight, however, were MUCH different – they looked
“respectable”, but were the slimiest, pushiest pervs I’ve ever had the misfortune of meeting! They were lucky they didn’t make the mistake of touching me, because their advances would have been chargeable sexual
harrassment if I had been inclined to pursue such. Some people just can’t
take no for a first – or second, or third – answer. I also notice how many predators on America’s Most Wanted have shaven heads like wanna-be cops.
In fact, an alleged serial killer in EDMONTON also looked “respectable”, which
is probably how he managed to lure his female victims!
And personally, I prefer a good healthy head of hair on a man; buzz-cuts leave me cold.
And THAT being said …
I am concerned about the young ghetto folk who will follow this lil Wayne’s
style, without being in a position to get away with it, especially when
looking for a job, or respect. It’s a shame, yes, but when trying to get
anywhere that doesn’t involve “the rapper/ghetto image”, well, image counts.
It doesn’t matter about your education, even (and many of these ghetto
kids don’t have it) if an employer saw someone sitting before him that
looked like the guy in the picture, forget it. Then the kid won’t get a job, thinks “whitey” is against him, and the only person to hire him is some
drug dealer in need of a mule. And the stereotype perpetuates itself.
I’m Canadian. Here, it isn’t really the blacks, it’s the “Indians” (Natives; they tend to call themselves Indians still here. I’m too drunk to keep typing First Nations, so please forgive.) Their public perception problem is that of the “drunken Indian”. And it does bother me when I see one totally trashed
and begging for change on the street. The reasons are little different
from that of Black ghetto culture in the US, though here it has to do with
deliberate deconstruction of their entire culture and religion that
went on right up to the 70s in the form of government and church-run
residential schools. Alcoholism is rampant, and has destroyed a great many reserves, and individual lives. When people see a “drunken Indian”, it only
reinforces every bad, negative stereotypes white Canadians have
of First Nations individuals. And I will say, I don’t have a total bleeding
heart for them; I see their hunting demands as nothing but greed, typified by their gaining hunting rights in Algonquin Park in Ontario – the religious and cultural background has been totally removed, and they took total advantage of it, leaving the park with truckloads of deer, about which the game warden could do nothing about, and I found myself even agreeing with white, fee-paying hunters about the injustice of it, who thought that if it’s a park, where wildlife are protected, well …
Um. Where was I going with this? Oh yeah. It’s not so much THIS guy dressing like this that bothers me. It’s the fact that young people,
sucked into this admittedly CORPORATE image, will be sucked into
it without realizing what damage it will do to their own future. It almost
makes me wonder if it isn’t some sort of deliberate campaign to do
this? To keep young black folk OUT of the job market, by making them
buy into some ridiculous image that will damage their chances at
making anything of themselves? The kid who copies this might
be a very good kid, who doesn’t necessarily agree with the mysoginistic or violent lyrics, but likes the “tuff” look, but doesn’t realize just HOW it
looks to someone else who might be in a position to give the kid a chance.
My own ol’ man (who has a healthy head of hair) has been told many times ot
“get a haircut” and has been refused work because of the length of his hair – even though he otherwise keeps himself shaved and neatly and fashionably
dressed! He’s beyond caring about that kind of thing now (and so am I, and I haven’t had a haircut in over 10 years, either. but neither one of us need a job). He also looks Native (but can’t prove ancestry to Northern and Indian Affairs) and gets a lot of prejudice based on that alone.
Um, I’ll stop here and see if you can get the point I’m trying to make. I’ve had a bad day, and bad news, and just feel the need to drink and post myself
out my misery.
Yeah, and who is largely presenting these little gangsta guys as mainstream? White people. Try again.
ANd see my comment above. Maybe there is a white corporate conspiracy to suck young black folk into looking like this so they can’t get a job and
better their condition, because they’re too young and stupid to realize better )Oh, lil wayne looks like this, I can look like this too and be rich.) Sounds more like a bad trap to me.
It’s about time someone showed just how freakin’ dumb these wanna-bes look. Each one I see I tell them “the only reason you wear them that way is for easier access for your rump-ranger buddies.” Once again, kudos to RamonaQ for her insight and honesty.
Racist and homophobic all in one comment. Kudos to *you*, sir.
Best LOL EVER! Dude has the biggest neck I have ever seen, love the belt ,”RAPE” is so IN these days…???
The guy looks stupid in my eyes, but this is prob a generational thing, he is free to do it, I am free to ignore him.
I don’t like Rap, so I don’t listen.
I don’t like his clothes so I don’t wear them, I’m 64 for goodness sake and that really would look truely stupid.
I don’t know this man and I suspect few of us do, so I have little no or right to be judgemental, he just may be nice, i don’t know.
All I can say is that if he were a TV program I would turn him off as is my right.
Forgive the ramblins but I think we are all being a bit quick to judge.
CMT
Well said.
I am not going to spend my day reading all of these comments but what i will do is to say that actually this is exactly what my and his grandparents fought to achieve for their posterity.
Not sure if anyone here realizes this but what you see here in this picture is Freedom of expression at its most fundamental level. Dwayne Carter is exercising his basic rights by dressing how he wants and speaking freely about what he wants and how he feels.
All I have to say about this guy is that auto-tuned singing is not singing, nor is it cool. Take lessons or stick to rap.
Am I the only one here who realizes that this pic is probably from a photo shoot?
Did anyone ever consider the idea that maybe his record company wants him to use this ‘image’ in order to sell more records? Do any of you know ‘Lil Wayne personally? Most likely not, so you can’t really say if this is his personal style.
maybe his pants are pulled down because he’s looking for prison lovin’ and he wants everyone to know he’s available?
Best caption I have ever seen!
“Fashion is the art of brainwashing a crowd.”
~Harvey Danger
my question to all….. If he is such a bad role model then why is it if some gangster kid goes and shoots somebody he’s not blamed by the media…but when some lonely kid who wears black is sick of being picked on goes and shoots somebody Marylin Manson is plastered all over the media as the horrible role model?
Hmm i have rewritten my answer to you several times unsure how to put it. I think that us goths are easier to hate. People can dislike us in a very free way and call us all the names under the sun. They can blame people in the music industry like Marilyn manson because we are still the true outsiders of music. I dont think the whole emo thing has helped either tbh
Just think if some poor little kid had been misled by music (lol- like that happens) and had shot someone and blamed the man in the picture then the defense lawyer would be saying loads of bad things about the man and about the stereotype of rappers and do you know what the respone would be
Racist!!
thats why marilyn manson is painted as bad by every kid who decided it would be fun to be an evil **** for a day. Plus its easier to pin the man who looks evil for putting bad thoughts into your head thru his cd of doom.
However rappers have been attacked in the press for their lyrics before. Just not in the same fashion.
Im dreading posting this, pls i dont mean to offend people by this. this is just what i have observed.
No, I agree. There was a “goth killing” in Medicine Hat a while ago – some 12 year old girl and her 24 year old boyfriend killed the girl’s parents and her 8 year old brother because the parents didn’t approve of the relationship. Goth culture was blamed, quite openly. (Yes, everyone involved was white.) No one thought to defend the goths; it wasn’t racism, because goths tend to be white – or so the argument goes. In Canada, at least, if it’s said against white folks, it’s never racism, no matter who says it.) The media made a big deal that the couple’s goth friends didn’t show up to court at the girl’s trial (which was first – and I don’t blame them for not showing up! The press would have been all over them!) If the people involved had been of African, Asian, or anything but non-white non-Native origin (lots of prejudice against Natives here that seems to be “acceptable”) nothing would have been said about any kind of culture behind it, rapper, Asian-gang, or otherwise. If it had been Muslim jihadists, for crying out loud, there would have been more kid-glove handling of the incident!
I’m not “goth” myself, but I’ve dressed in black since the early 80s when that ridiculous day-glo crap was in vogue. Ye goths are mimicking ME, afaic.
And I’ve suffered from chronic depression for 30 years, which, I suppose, would make me an “emo”.
I think he’s hot and I LOVE his music. And I’m white. And country born and raised too… listening to my Hank Williams Junior right now in fact…
If you don’t want your kids watching him, censor what they watch and listen to.
If you don’t like what he’s wearing, don’t wear it.
If you don’t think he represents you well as a young, African American, put the work in to make a name for yourself.
If you think he is “wasting” his freedom, you have misunderstood the fact that the notion of free will does not depend on other people’s opinions.
I’ll end with a quote from Lil Wayne himself. “You can love me or hate me. I swear it won’t make me or break me.” Now ain’t that the truth!
Actually, it is. They fought for the rights of Black folks to be a part of society as more than chattel and second class citizens. They also fought for Black folks to express themselves as part of the Black community without the approval of White people. While I don’t agree with his music and his attire is unappealing, I do agree with his ability to participate in society as White people are allowed to without the need to conform to an acceptable White standard. He is part of the Black community which is very diverse and should not be represented by one group within the community. Don’t mistake his public persona for anything other than what it is meant to do which is to entertain you. Stop reducing Black people to a stereotype and realize that our experience is diverse.
Some of us are not dumb enough to throw a hissy fit about Lil’ Wayne being any kind of role model. When I was a kid African-Americans didn’t have nearly the representation in the media that they have now; I was born in ’74. “The Cosby Show” was the first big thing they had; “Good Times” came close but I think it was mostly in its own little “ghetto” as it were. And present black people in a positive light in advertisements? Nah… not for most of my childhood. It has changed so much now that I can open my newspaper and see a young black man in dreads and a white lab coat talking about how he’s always dreamed of becoming a nurse.
Screw Lil’Wayne. I’m smart enough to see how diverse African-Americans really are. There are professionals, athletes, scholars, blue-collar workers, and rednecks, just like with white people. We don’t point to any one white person or another and go, “Oh, that person is a HORRIBLE ROLE MODEL for white people.” We just gravitate to the ones who are obviously good and ignore the rest.
And I think that’s how we should be about black people. Ignore the trolls and rednecks, gravitate to the good people. And there are LOTS of good people in any race, and they are getting the airtime now. Quit acting so freakin’ sheltered, wake up and look around you.
And if that was a white woman who made the caption for this photo, STFU. And if it was a black woman, seriously, self-hate much lately? Have you not heard the argument made that no black person should be expected to be a representative for the entire race? Fine. Don’t expect that of him then.
i completely agree with what the caption on the photo says.
and so what if this is the new generation? all that proves is that this generation is that of stupidity. walking around with your pants falling off your ass is not cool. and i’ll bet you anything, this guy won’t think he’s so cool when he’s 80 and his saggy tattoo skin just hangs off of him. honestly! what has happened to class?
G for GAY
They must have been out of white boxers at K-Mart
what a dumb caption.
i’m sure the guys grandparents or definetly great grandparents were slaves in the very worst part of the country where you could be one.. excuse him that the country we’re all feeling so noble about today still has New Orleans in ruins cuz everyone’s too much of a bigot to give a hoot about fixing our most important part and seat of hundreds of years of history, music, art, architecture, cuisine, diversity and half a million people’s lives.. so the only way out of where he grew up, with insane poverty and lack of any schooling is to become a musician, yeah what a jerk.
he grew up under the very worst and most deplorable conditions in the poorest, now destroyed and never even bothered to be helped by the rest of this disgustingly wealthy country, city in america.
he’s an entertainer, and who would ever even expect an ENTERTAINER to wear bright, unusual over the top clothing and accessories.
it says BAPE, it’s a brand.
he actually has a MUCH better message especially with his lyrics towards women than almost every other popular rapper ever,
and his lyrics are very clever. the guy isn’t gay and really, is that a third grade insult or what to say that someone is “gay” for wearing something unique.
having seen and knowing what i know about the neighborhood this guy grew up in, i give him respect for even still being alive let alone having more money now than any of you hateful racists ever will.
a clothing company named Bathing ape ???
If Martin Luther King we’re alive… he’d probably move to Canada.
(Reference to The Boondocks episode)
This… is not what he fought for.
Actually, freedom of expression is precisely one of the many rights that his father and grandfather fought to protect.
I find it funny how the people who get the most outraged about “what America means” are the same people who seem to understand it the least — people from both outside AND inside our borders.
well i find it funny you are offended by this picture and its caption.
just take it as a joke, seriously, lighten up. you sound ridiculous getting all high and mighty on this site of all sites. i mean take a look at yourself.
woah woah woah,
that sounds INCREDIBLY racist.
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This should go on failblog aswell
Amen to the caption.
Jeezuhs.
Am I the only one that thinks he looks fine? People wear more ridiculous things all the time, and he pulls off his style pretty well. I think you guys should just stop hating on him just because he dresses differently and doesn’t match your view of what is attractive and what isn’t.
wow, really? your going to defend him?
take a look at our society, influences like him are ruining it. everyday we see more and more people trying to act “gangster” all becuase of the “music” these so-called artists put out. and it doesnt even end there. i could go on forever
WTF! What the hell has to happen to the world to show us that these people shouldn’t be followed!I hope someday someone rises out of the crowd and shows these talentless losers what a good entertainer is!
I’m not so concerned about the pink hoodie etc. What I am concerned about is the fact that inevitably one day he will be walking down the street, possibly pursued by papparazzi when his trousers fall down. It won’t be long before pictures of him in his colourful underwear will be all over the Internet. XD just imagine what his mother would say ><
hi this yr gurl cece and lilwayne is just doing his think so don’t hate haters i luv u chris brown
What’s the point of even wearing pants if you’re not gonna wear them properly? Jeez…
he doesn’t look dumb its his style so get off of his case
All i can say is, Eww~ i personaly dun like it!
but what ever flows his boat…
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If you would bother to read the other comments before posting, you’d know that isn’t true. As was pointed out previously when someone else erroneously said it’s a prison invitation for “buttsecks,” it actually came from them not being allowed belts. Your previous post about BAPE had already been done by several others, too. If you want to participate in the comments, try reading some first.
Amy Winehouse is a great singer and that’s what she’s applauded for.
OMG She sings??
Fanboy Alert.
Someone needs a musical taste transplant! STAT!
she IS a great singer.
Thank you. That’s what I thought, too.
why would you be offended that Weezy would rather have money than “your Daughter” I am fairly confused by your logic.
ha i think YOU need to get the head out of your arse tbh
its doesn’t mean that you absolute fool
it’s bathing ape
LOL @ goin on high and mighty but gettin it wrong though,
that’s a big look for 2009
On the other hand, if he prefers money, doesn’t that mean our daughters are “safe”…?
Well, referring to my comments about racists seeing black men like him as nothing more than ostentatious monkeys, is “Billionaire Ape” really a good label to put on himself? Because that’s what a racist would see – an ape with a lot of money.
Actually not true. Check out the snopes link a ways up.
If you bothered to learn how to use sources other than Wikipedia to learn about cultural references, you’d know better.
Oh look, someone else is slamming Wikipedia. If you find an inaccuracy there, correct it. That’s why it’s a “wiki.”
By the way, if you had any idea how much prejudice there is in the African-American community against gay men, you’d know how ridiculous your explanation of sagging pants really is.
Before the drugs? Yes. I’ve seen “before” photos. She was gorgeous and she just trashed herself. Also, killer voice, if she hasn’t wrecked that too.
right on!