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Weekly salon visits, designer mascara, silver earrings, fake tan, airbrushing, couture clothes, personal hair stylist, makeup artist, blush, lip gloss, spa treatments, extensions, breast implants …
And women wonder why men think it’s O.K. to lie
(Kim Kardashian)
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Haha! *thumbs up*
I like it.
Agree.
Infinite WIN!
i know!
this is very good point
we don’t all think it’s okay to lie and if u think that we do then ur sexist but yes if ur not at least partially gay like i am u probably do and she still came out pretty!
Wait – what?
… However I did pick out (of that intelligible mess): ‘… she still came out pretty!’
… Right. Ever heard of ‘Beauty is only skin deep’?
Being obsessed with beauty is not healthy, but taking care of yourself and taking pride in the way you look displays a healthy psyche.
im pretty sure there are cultures where people dont give a flying fudge about their appearances and still have a healthy psyche.
our culture – on the other hand – is obsessed, argue all you want.
I’d say most countries with the best general happiness are not ones (like the US) where people are obsessed with their looks, nor ones where people don’t care at all, but ones where people take pride in their appearance to a normal level.
We girlz just do that soo guys can like us and not be aww that girls hot we want u to only see us and treat us like were the pretties WOMAN eva
What is this..? I don’t even….
she is right ! girls wanna be the prettiest woman everrr to their mannn
You’re completely gay then?
you forgot the nose-job she had! And she had a big nose-job done! Trust me! Together with her eyes! Don’t trust her own “personal” pictures of when she was 12 or 14 years old. Her PR-team posted them, but those photos are so Photoshopped. They had the chance to do so since their was only one homemade copy of those. Why aren’t other familly members, like cousins, posting photos?! Yep, that’s right…
2nd
btw.. Finally something original on this lame site.
I always love when people comment on how lame everything is on these sites. If you think it’s so lame, I’m curious to know why you keep coming back. No one’s forcing you, I’m sure, so your comment baffles me.
Theres someone standing behind him with a magnum
…forcing him to read “lame” lols and making him rofl at gunpoint.
Is it sad the first thing that came to mind was a condom.
I thought “What are they going to sex his head if he doesn’t visit?”
third lol
Hell yeah. False advertising!
Sexist much?
Bitter over the truth much? In denial over reality much?
Denial much?
Why do you think she does this to herself? For fun? No, because men expect this sort of thing. They find it “hot.” Women want to be loved. So they do crazy things to garner attention.
I’ve re-read your post a few times, and I still fail to see your point.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that men *don’t* want to be loved. Or at least that whatever deception is implicit to painting one’s face or surgically improving on one’s genetic blessings is somehow more acceptable than the deception inherent in the equally crazy deceptions men engage in, with (arguably) the same motive.
Also, at the point that you assert “she does it to get attention” you’re more or less admitting that she does it “for fun” – not in this woman’s case, as a celebrity’s beauty is a marketable commodity, but for non-celebrity women I’d that the goal behind “getting attention” is that they like the attention.
Meeting actual women in real life would help you with this misconceptions.
And yeahhhh… men lie to me because they want “love.” The deep emotional bonding love like that betwe- … no. Wait. They don’t. They lie to get in bed.
Meeting actual men in real life would help you with this misconception. the fact that men have lied to you to get you into bed doesn’t in any way disprove anything I said – except in as much as you might have to admit that the genders in general develop different ideas of what constitutes “love.”
I know several “women in real life,” and come to think of it most of them don’t spend a great deal of time on makeup, and seem to do fine in both the “love” and “getting men and women) in bed” departments.
Also, I doubt women wear makeup because they seek “the deep emotional bonding like that between (however it was you intended to finish that sentence).” That sort of connection isn’t built on cosmetics, and all but the most deluded of women would understand that.
What it *does* get you is, as someone else said, attention.
(The textbox is weird for me, so it cuts of my comment when I try and type it, but that won’t stop me. Hahaha!)
I’m pretty sure most guys will admit that there is making love and love. In my experience, when men lie, they’re mostly likely trying to have sex with you. Honestly is something they’ll give you in exchange for actual love. So, I don’t disagree with different ideas about love, but you guys also have different, even opposite standards for it as well.
I could argue that I’ve seen what you’ve seen and a lot of the opposite, so moving on.
Attention, yes. It’s that thing that happens before you meet people.
It’s why someone talks to you instead of walking by.
It’s the start to -any- kind of relationship. Getting their attention?
Fact of the matter is, if the guys repeatedly walk by the girl with the naturally pretty eyes for the exotic look of the woman with the nicely done smokey eyes, the first girl is probably going to start wearing the smokey eyes herself.
You can replace smokey eyes with the ascetically pleasing quality of your choice: The thinner girls, the ones with bigger boobs, the ones with longer hair, the ones wearing high heels, the ones with flashier jewelry, etc. etc.
So do we wear the smokey eyes to achieve deep emotional bonding? Yeah. Not through make up, of course, but to get and often keep a guy’s attention we do.
That’s a poor logic. You want a guy’s attention, you’re not obligated to stand there “looking pretty” ’til he bothers to stop and talk to you. You want his attention, you can always initiate the encounter yourself, just like you’re expecting him to do.
I don’t condemn makeup, spa treatment, carefully-styled hair, cosmetic surgery, expensive clothes, or high heels. I don’t go for them personally (and my dating history reflects that) but I won’t try to argue that my own aesthetics are any less superficial. But it’s still superficial, no matter how you look at it, and I refuse to accept that women lack agency in this institution.
Biologically, she does have a point.
Men are more attracted to younger women because younger women tend to be more fertile.
Wider eyes (eyeliner) contribute to this as do blush and foundation (the appearance of flawless skin). Lipstick makes the mouth look more plump (skin loses elasticity as you age and you lips do shrink)
High heels attract a man because they make a woman’s leg look longer and more flexible which also gives to the illusion of youth.
These are all things men have been searching for since the dawn of the human race and now we can make ourselves look artificially younger so we do. Women are biologically wired to seek an older male and make themselves appear younger in the hopes of doing so.
It’s biological, not psychological.
For the initial attraction it’s biological, I should have said. After that it’s everything else: compatibility, sense of humor, intelligence, whatever you are personally looking for in a mate.
No, she does not. The drive to seek a mate is biological. The drive to seek an older male/younger female mate is (arguably) biological. Fashion choices are not biological, they’re the result of an active choice.
Also, your response does nothing to address most of my comment – a man might “walk by” a girl who lacks sufficient makeup, but a woman (at least in the contemporary U.S.) is not required to stand around waiting for a man to notice her. Granted, looks are an asset when taking a more active role in seeking a mate, but the description of men “walking by” implies that it’s all the gentleman’s choice.
Besides which, from a “biological” perspective, men have reasons to lie as well. Lying about fidelity helps a man to secure a mate, while sleeping around allows him to more reliably pass on his genes. Lying about his status and income allows a man to seem like a more desirable mate (a stable cargiver and provider). An argument based on biological tendencies does not constitute a defense of a practice.
blah blah blah! why do we always try and make our own selfes look like were the target? women always arguing about how men only want sex, and men always arguing that the women are stuck up or dont give nothing back or what ever argument one has. were all the same! love each other for being here and if you are seeing that you cant find a good human being then your hanging with the wrong crowd because there is someone out there for you.
Superficial, hormone-driven men do this to women. Stupid women who are attracted to superficial, hormone-driven men comply, making them equally as stupid and irrelevant. Let them both suffer!
I don’t expect any goddamn thing of the sort.
So women think it’s wrong yet will do it for men anyway?LOL Good luck on finding a good man by being something you’re not. Of course later on she’ll just say it’s the guy’s fault because of course women are never in the wrong. *sarcasm off* BTW women dress to impress and compete with other women more than they do it to get love/attention from men.
What I find funny with about your post is that women do “that” to themselves for each other, not men. All one has to do is LISTEN to women, which I do, when they think no one can hear them, on a regular basis.
Oh, and for the record, women are the one’s who don’t know how to communicate. If they did, they would actually answer the questions that are asked of them without lying.
OK, let’s observe your so-called “truth.”
Silver earring – Women have been wearing earrings since before Biblical times. In fact, the oldest proof we have of earrings is the carvings of MEN in ancient Persia.
Fake tan – That is Kim’s natural coloring.
Airbrushing – Usually done by men who do it for a living, Kim had nothing to do with it.
Couture clothing – Most people with money wear ‘em, men or woman. Big deal.
Breast implants – Probably natural, and enhanced by airbrushing.
Makeup – Another ancient custom that has been around.
Extensions – Her hair is most likely long, not fake.
Good try though.
The point is that she doesn’t actually look like that. The big thing is the makeup. She’s basically lying. Just another double standard that’s full of BS, like how uncool it is for a guy to actually point this out. Well, screw it, I don’t care. I agree with the picture and think that it pointing out women’s lies about their actual appearance is full of win.
Yet if most men see women without makeup–totally at odds with how they are used to seeing women look, particularly when they’re supposed to be looking “hot”, as in “Playboy”–they are the first to point out how ugly and un-hot they are. Double-standard much? ::sigh:: I get so tired of the cognitive dissonance most people live with, forcing me to point out the difference in the reality inside their heads, and Reality.
I like the way a woman looks when she first gets out of bed in the morning. Screw all that damn paint and primp.
Look, there are people full of BS and there are people who aren’t. Not all women are graced with lovely looks, meaning some of us can actually look hot with no make-up at all. Everybody enjoys a little sexy red lipstick or sexy eyeliner, but it’s not like a man would expect that from a woman every day, all the time for whenever he sees her. Hell, I’m sure most men prefer women who look good without make-up, on the grounds that beauty wouldn’t take much time, effort, or cash. Just sayin’. And for those of us who aren’t blessed, well, I’m sure it’s safe to do what we can. Like, don’t go all out and totally slather your face in gupp, just add a touch up here and there. I mean, even if the make-up in the photo of Kim is the only thing fake, it’s still a whole lot of make-up, and I don’t know if it’s just me, but the longer I stare, the uglier and more artificial that face looks.
Remember guys! Don’t go to the gym and work out because then you’d be lying too! I bet you guys brush your hair sometimes too! That is a total lie, you’re trying to make us believe that you just wake up with your hair like that?! And showering and deodorant, leading us to believe your natural body doesn’t smell? ALL LIES!
Thank goodness so many men are so honest!
Ha! Bravo Cerie, bravo!
LOL, nice try brushing your hair and using deodorant aren’t not even close to fake eyelashes, makeup, hair extensions,etc….nice try though.
Incorrect!
A guy who goes to the gym alters his physique; he actually looks like that – no deception.
A guy who bathes regularly *doesn’t* smell (plus there’s the matter of basic health & hygiene) – no deception.
Brushing one’s hair isn’t really deceptive unless one contrives to seem as if the look comes naturally.
On a related subject, I would like to point out that “silver earrings” and “couture clothing” are a little out of place on this caption (and it’s easily arguable that the references to salon visits and spa treatments are as well); there’s nothing inherently dishonest about the jewelry or clothes, nor the results of spa treatments. (unless, of course it’s all faake jewelry, etc.)
It helps fill up the image, which I suppose helps underline the point, but it’s ironic for a caption commenting on honesty.
She’s not “lying.” Lying would be saying “I’m 5’8″ when I’m not not or “I’m a doctor” when I’m not. Putting on make up isn’t “lying”, and it’s immature to call it such because you know damn well that you’d choose an airbrushed barbie-doll over a “natural” woman any day.
Because women take pride in their appearance doesn’t justify men lying. Does it emotionally hurt you when a woman takes off her make-up or clothes? Does it emotionally hurt you when a woman cheats on you and lies about it?
There’s a big difference.
very true she can wear makeup if she wants infact we all wear makeup so yer let it goooo!
No frickin’ body knows what her “natural coloring” is, not even her. That goes for skin, hair, lips, eyes and God only knows what else. And yes, her boobs are very, very fake. Please get over yourself.
Get over YOURself. Her dad, her mom, her sisters–ALL look ARMENIAN. Her skin and hair–and more than likely, eyes–ARE that color. I had the misfortune to lose the remote one night and watch an ep of the reality show she’s on. They did a photo shoot, in bikinis, in Mexico. IIRC, those breasts had an awfully realistic jiggle. I don’t care how much one spends, ARTIFICIAL breasts don’t move like that.
Just because they’re pushed up for death, crying bitter tears to get themselves into this head shot, doesn’t mean there’s not an artificial means used to hoist ‘em up there.
In this particular case, that is. I can’t see below them to be able to tell if it’s a corset, or a photo shoot “grip” . . . do they have grips on photo shoots?
good lord I just clicked on this to see what people were saying. Okay people can argue all they want-its not going to change that this type of woman is over glorified…anyone see the pics of her un airbrushed?
As long as certain men want their young nubile women who either have unrealistic chests or waists …this is what happens.
Does anyone have any idea how it is to have an eating disorder and see this on tv, magazines, billboards, the internet, the front of books, ads, movies..well, every form of media you can possibly think of…its more difficult than you can imagine. You even have young Asian women, naturally small by genetics, starving themselves to be a size zero.
The hair comment by naoyusimi is very true. If men liked natural then Megan Fox wouldn’t have a job.
Um, correct me if I’m wrong here, but that “natural coloring” on her face… yeah, it doesn’t look like her skintone on her arms and chest area. So maybe she is naturally tan, but nobody said anything about “naturally orange toned in the face.”
“Orange-toned”? Bad shade of blush for her or bronzing powder, but the base-color to her face is not that far off of the rest of her body. Picky-picky.
Denial? Who, upon seeing a woman with no makeup and without most of these accountrements, is the first to say how ugly or butch she looks? Usually–although not exclusively–a male. Face it, boys–most of you do not like natural. If you did, I would never see comments about body hair on women. That’s natural, but gods forbid a woman not remove every single hair from her body, right?
Women judge other women’s looks more than men do. Hell look at all these awards shows in hollywood. They make a bigger deal out of what dress the women wear than who won the award for acting.
More? More as in “more often” or “more harshly”? I think it depends on the individual. I’ve seen women who are cutting, and men who are as well. Being fair and forgiving in judgement of others is not exclusive to one gender or the other.
Troll much?
Haha! so it’s all cool for women to point out double standards and win sympathy, but as soon as a guy does it then it’s sexist?
Yep, sounds about right.
I’m with ya brother!
actually I’m a chick and I completely agree with you.
I don’t know one female who self-identifies as a “chick”
Nice try, dude.
Actually, I know a couple girls that self-identify as chicks. And they’re pretty in tune with their feminist sides.
I do. I also enjoy chickadee as well. I also use the word c*nt. GASP! I must not really be a female! *rolls eyes*
Urrrh? You must not know a lotta women.
I know lots of women, and I NEVER hear them refer to themselves as “chicks”.
Never.
I have heard, depending on the age group–not so much gender–of the speaker, people refer to OTHERS as chicks.
There you go.
Just because you never heard it, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
Oh, I’m certain that’s true. But I’d say it’s pretty frickin’ rare for a woman to refer to herself as a “chick”. [what do fluffy baby chickens have to do with women, anyway?]
I get you there. I know women who use the word, but I never did for that reason. I never got how it got started. I don’t think it’s offensive, but last I checked, I wasn’t covered in soft yellow feathers. LOL
I confess – I refer to myself as a “chick” all the time.
I dunno why. It slides off the tongue easier than “girl” or “woman” I guess.
I also refer to guys as dudes, so…
Well then, I’ll admit I refer to myself as a “chick,” as well. Look, lady, maybe it’s because fluffy baby chickens are cute and sweet… and have a playful li’l chirp to them! And maybe it’s rare in your little group of friends. Believe me, there are a whole lot more groups of people in this world than you can count. and just to let you know, i’m sure men would overall prefer a natural woman who is hot at the same time. “natural” probably excludes shaving legs and brushing hair.
Not like you can expect any guy bashing women for basically beautifying themselves FOR him to know anything about them.
That is exactly the crap SOME women try to pull.
I wish more men spent half this amount of time on their own looks
I believe those men are homosexuals.
Lol, almost. You mean metrosexuals.
Crab people, crab people…
No, FBR was right. The “metros” are just in denial.
contrary to popular believe, women like it when guys shower. they just happen to be more polite about telling you how that shirt with the pizza stains looks just as nice the 4th day in a row you wear it. at least to your face.
Uh wearing makeup, fake tans, etc….are way different than a guy takes a shower and clean clothes.
I don’t know what women you’ve been talking to, but I’ve never met one who was that polite.
That being said, I don’t *think* anyone here is arguing against basic hygiene.
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More relevant to the point of this thread, lots of men spend just as much time on their appearance, but expressed in different ways – time at the gym for example, which might lead to the aforementioned need for a shower.
No thanks. I have better things to do than stay in the bathroom putting all that **** on morning.
No, there are already enough men that are pussies.
How did she get famous? was it from Disaster Movie?
Her dad was a lawyer/attorney/whatever in the OJ Simpson trials that lasted 49086570653 years. Her mom divorced him, married Olypian Bruce Jenner, father of Brody Jenner from The Hills *worst show evar* and they have a brady-bunch-style family. she also was married to a rap producer, and has banged several rap artsist and football players since. even without all the money, her butt-waistline ratio is almost a scientific wonder.
Meh, and if she didn’t have all of them no man would even look at her.
Guys are such hypocrites. They get self-righteous about women using beauty aids but wouldn’t stop to spit on a woman who doesn’t spend $10,000 a year on them.
good, ’cause i doesn’t want mens to spit on me!
lol
I love how any woman who is fat and ugly hates any woman who is less fat and ugly for being “fake”. You are not supposed to be huge, ask your doctor.
So true.
What the hell made you think she was fat? For all you know, she could be a size two girl. She’s probably hotter than your girlfriend, if you even have one.
I’m fairly sure the original commenter has little to no contact with real people, judging by the type of post he/she/it put up.
I’m fat, and I like Kim. Always have. I don’t care what a woman does to her body, it’s her choice completely.
And btw, fat does not equal unhealthy. Most doctors have been brainwashed to believe so, but it’s the type of lifestyle you live that will determine your health overall. A “beautiful” thin person who sits on their ass all day and eats junk food has NO advantage over the “ugly” fat person who exercises and eats in moderation.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but fat is natural.
It isn’t really how you are ‘fat’ but rather why you are. I know plenty of people who are overweight and obese – but they have healthy active lifestyles. As long as you keep healthy, it is fine to have fat (being a woman means you NEED/MUST have fat in order to function. For example periods…). If you are overweight or obese simply because you don’t eat healthy and aren’t active – the extra weight is just a sign of things you are doing wrong.
I have nothing against people on their size, just on how they take care of themselves. If a person has diabetes because of something genetic, they will have my sympathy. If a person has diabetes because they couldn’t keep their hand out of the cookie jar, I could care less.
lol and why does your opinion about anyone count anyway? Silly.
My comment wasn’t just my opinion, silly. c(=
I don’t take offense at your comment, and I fully realize that this may be and artifact of my own brain, but I dislike how your comment almost equated ‘having fat’ with ‘being fat’.
But then, I also dislike being called healthy, because it’s become so much of a euphemism.
So men who agree with this picture want a woman who doesn’t take care of her appearance and looks natural?
Wait, that can’t be right. Men like that tend to have a tantrum when a woman isn’t wearing makeup.
They must want a woman who takes absolutely scrupulous care of her appearance using everything except for (perhaps) the implants, while making it all appear effortless and “natural.”
Remember guys, The woman doesn’t get dolled up for you. She gets dolled up to compete with other women. Its their form of arm wrestling.
As a female, I completely agree. I say this all the time. Also, this “lol” kind of pisses me off, but I am not completely surprised by this kind of interpretation of out culture.
*our
Eh, yes and no. When I get dressed up and do my hair and makeup, I am usually doing it for a)myself or b)my boyfriend and if I am single, I’m doing it for potential dates (ie: men). I usually never have a woman in mind when I’m getting dressed up. Women are horrible creatures and will tear you down no matter how good you look. They will hate you if you’re ugly and hate you if you’re gorgeous. That’s just our nature.
Why do you think women might compete with other women, eh? Think now…..I know it’s difficult….. hmmmm. Think hard! Why do men compete with other men, oftentimes doing extreme feats of silliness to prove….what, exactly? It’s all about status, which is about the continuation of the species. Get it, yet?
Completely agree! I can give a million sh*ts before “competing” with other women. I love to see the beauty in everybody natural, artificial, thin, voluptuous. I don’t even care what men think. I put my best face forward for myself! I admire women who roll out of bed and seize their day, that is so beautiful! On myself I like a little blush, mascara, and eyeliner (: I like how they complement me. Anyway, I had breast implants (full B) which I also got for MYSELF. I see beautiful women with lovely small A’s and they look perfect! I decided I didn’t want to be completely flat, as some woman can sympathize. Life is short, why dwell or complain…i wanted boobies, am I a terrible human being or that? Absolutely not! If somebody thinks so, Tooooo bad. This bashing on nipping and tucking hits a soft spot because there is so much anger and hate in these messages shows how f**ked up humans can be to eachother. If there was no plastic surgery would everybody love and accept eachother? It’s available and so be it.
I believe if you are unhappy with something you change your view on it(learn to love it) OR you change it. Appreciate all beauty! It’s 2011 and more technology and procedures are arising so don’t judge people for having the desire to look their best, you don’t know what their motives are. Be beautiful inside FIRST and then if it tickles your fancy decorate that lovely exterior canvas that we came onto this beautiful earth with, do it or don’t…the choice is YOURS!
~peace
Exactly, but SOME women love to blame all the problems on men because then they don’t have to accept responsibility. Kinda like when chicks drink so they can act slutty and have an excuse the next morning.
Absolutely true.
what’s with all the anti-women/misogynist postings recently? It’s beginning to leave a really nasty taste in my mouth. I used to LOVE this site for its irreverent and satirical take on all things celebrity (still do in fact, which is why I don’t want to boycott this part of lolcats) but postings such as this attacking women seem like sexist bullying. This, the ones about Amy Winehouse, about Princess Leia’s boobs, and about how women from the 50s and 60s were classier than women nowadays make me feel some people have some real issues.
I’m willing to bet a significant amount of money that male celebrities also spend lots of money on looking good – from John Wayne’s plastic surgery to expensive suits and hair plugs not to mention certain actors who wear insoles and built-up shoes to make them look taller – men are just as vain as women. As a woman I’d never think it would give me the right to lie to them. And I doubt most other men would either. Nothing does!
Ab-so-lute-ly!
It’s not anti-woman, it’s anti-fashion and anti-celebrity culture.
If it’s anti-celebrities why does the OP ask why ‘women’ wonder why men lie?
*Takes your soapbox away*
Yeah, and while this picture is on page 1, Madonna is on page 2 being laughed at just for having an old woman’s body. The conclusion is that pretty women taking care of their bodies are sluts, and the ones looking natural are nasty. wtf?
Of course! Women are supposed to look hot, no matter what, and when they’re no longer hot (e.g. “old”) they’re an item for derision. Didn’t you know that? ::eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull::
It’s because Madonna doesn’t seem to get that she isn’t the most pleasing sight in the world. Look, the woman is OLD, and there’s no more raw way to say it. It’s not a matter of her “looking natural and nasty,” more like she should get the hint that she’s not as youthfully beautiful as she used to be, and should maybe be a little more modest. There is a time to be flambuoyant, and it’s called your “prime.” It can last a range of years, but, it’ll wear out eventually for everybody. Sad, but oh, so very true. I know it sounds harsh, but isn’t life harsh? There are certain things we have to deal with, and the sugar coating has got to come off eventually.
AMEN!
Fake photoshopped females like this give guys unrealistic expectations of how their wives/girlfriends should be. The media tells teenage girls this is how they’re supposed to look. And you wonder what’s wrong with our country when people like this are considered role models.
I agree. I blame the media, those teen magazines, and hollywood for all the decline of morals and such in this country. Seriously. Granted parenting has a certain percentage of it but when friends are hanging out with friends and theyre bombarded by this **** what do you think is gunna happen? They should all be arrested for corruption of minors.
Realistically, that would NEVER happen. The media puts up information that WE WANT, that will make US pay attention. Needless to say it is our human nature that makes us desire to be perfect.
This problem of the human body in art and media (or purely just visual culture) has been around for all of human existence. As seen here: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/153813461_25adf1f569.jpg?v=0 one of the first statue/carvings found from ancient man. What do you see? A female with exaggerated features that show what a ‘prime and healthy’ (or rather beautiful) child bearing female human should look like. Even in the roman and greek times, when the ideal figure was male…do you *really* think everyone looked like those statues? Look again you will see things in the statues that would be impossible for the human body to achieve.
Today’s technology makes it easier for people to alter the ‘ideal’ human figure. It also shows certain behaviors (try watching music videos for a day and tell me what the common theme is). In the end the natural human body wouldn’t look like what is plastered everywhere, and may even look ‘exotic’ compared to it.
All the men I know actually prefer women not to wear makeup, and if the women do – it can’t be much (as in they don’t want dirt caked on the face they want to kiss). Granted the women they see on the television and in various ads are ‘desirable’, this would not be for actual relationships. Many men understand that this would take an extensive amount of time to maintain.
As for my opinion, I like some makeup only to accent the good features on the face – not to create them. I don’t like breast implants, just because they don’t look or feel real.
This is a fascinating concept to explore in Art, Media, and Visual Culture. I highly recommend it! =D
*applaudes* Very well said!
my only comment re: yours is the statues that you use as examples are not meant to represent real people, they are supposed to be gods, where as what you see in pop culture today are in fact, billed as normal, or at least human, people.
I like your point, a lot. However with today’s pop culture, icons are looked up to just as much as the gods were in time of old. I know this is a weird example, but the first thing that comes to mind is Miley Cyrus. Think about all of the kids that look up to her and want to be just like her. Isn’t that what a lot of gods are there for? For people to aspire to be like them (or at least stay on their good sides). In a sense, the same idolization exists today as then.
Thank you so much for your reply, it really got me thinking. =)
However, without makeup on, and with her hair totally crappy and undone, she’s still a raging hottie.
i agree.
I agree. And if men can’t see that this unrealistic, that’s their problem, not ours.
She can get all that stuff if she wants…the only thing that bothers me is the implants :O
1.) She doesn’t have breast implants.
2.) She doesn’t have a fake tan, obviously her ethnicity gives her darker skin.
I agree with that. Not all women with fairy large chests have breat implants. -.-
People who can’t tell the difference…are just sad.
THANK YOU! When she lays on her side, they flop sideways. Funny how you don’t hear people accusing most black women of having implants, even though they can put Dolly Parton to shame.
Well, when it comes to races, they have different body shapes, no? This is probably why some people will jump to conclusions faster or slower than others. =)
Plenty of black women in hollywood have been accused of having implants. She is also half-dutch (therefore proof she can be pale), the orange tone in her face gives the fake tan away.
Its saying that she uses way to much cosmetic products.
I get by just fine with a little mascara, eyeliner, a hair straightener and a little eye shadow here and there.
I think the point of this is Women “lie” about their appearance and then expect men to be 100% truthful. This isn’t saying that men don’t want women to make themselves look “better”, but we don’t want to be chewed out when we lie about little things. Not every post has to be twisted into being offensive to somebody; some things are just meant to be taken at face value.
” . . . don’t want to be chewed out when we lie about little things”? You, like the submitter, want to conflate the idea of lying to your girlfriend with the things women do to be more attractive . . . to men? Do you really think that’s a balanced equation? Cosmetics = an intentional transgression?
Yes. I tend to relate any form of “looking better” as lying. This includes when I dress nice. This lying is for the purpose of selling ourselves, to make us look better and more marketable. It’s not a harmful lie, but a lie nonetheless.
If I tell a white lie (again, not harmful to anyone), and it gets found out, I’m suddenly some horrible heathen who needs to be tossed on a bed of hot coals until I repent.
Does this seem right?
Okay, you’ve qualified the above now, as a “white lie” and “not harmful to anyone” ….. whereas, I, and I imagine, others, assumed you meant any form of lying, which would include those intentional things like, “No, I’m not cheating on you, honey!” White lies are quite different, as in, done to SPARE someone’s feelings.
Yeah, first of all, she’s Armenian, that’s not a fake tan. Second, her breasts are real, and when you see her ass, you can believe it. But I agree with most of the other stuff.
WIN
The butt isn’t real. She had that put in. She had a flat butt when she first started whoring out in pictures. Then one day she comes out with a big old shelf butt. God knows how many surgeons have been on TV declaring that butt is fake. The boobs aren’t fake i’ll give you that but, that butt is not real.
ugh I’m pretty sure that butt is real, she actually does not like her butt and is often times made-fun of for it. if you ever watched that trashy show with her and her family you would know she would give anything to get rid of it. She is also a WOMAN not a little girl and her weight plays a role in that I’m sure if she was like 110lbs her ass would only be half it’s size.
Personally I don’t consider wearing make-up to be lying… Or something that would give ‘men’ any reason to use that against a woman. You’d think men would appreciate the effort some women make to attract men… I’m not saying that’s the sole reason women wear make-up, it’s certainly not my reason, but yeah… it’s totally implying that women are lying. Bizarre.
If anything a push up bra would be the closest to ‘lying’, hahah.
technically, stuffing would be lying. lol XD
Most of the comments here are proof that humanity has stopped evolving, and is in fact regressing.
If you gave specifics, it would make your statement more believable. I’ve read a lot of comments, and they are actually a lot better constructed than most threads I’ve observed.
DragonKat – read the comments. Duh. If you are agreeing with the comments here, then A Woman has been proven right.
If you can’t figure it out for yourself, I’m not going to hold your hand and go through it with you. It’s quite clear which posts are from misogynist idiots, and which are not. The fact that you can’t seem to tell the difference on your own means that you’re obviously a retard, as well.
Christ, people suck. This is yet another site I’ll have to stop visiting, due to the stupidity and hate.
Actually, any of the comments would suffice. It seems odd though, how there are different opinions in this thread…so agreeing to any of the variety of opinions would come to the same conclusion that you make. However, even by agreeing with your comment comes to the same conclusion. I was just wondering which ones in particular you didn’t like (as different people have different opinions). It would be like walking into a candy store with every kind of candy and saying “I hate those kinds of candy” and leaving (if that makes sense).
I was just looking for examples because I enjoy reading well thought out threads. I wasn’t accusing anyone of anything, just hoping to hear more of what someone has to say. =)
Also, if you read my comment stated above (it is pretty hefty in size) it states how humanity (on the subject of ‘image’) has actually stayed pretty much the same (even though what is seen as ‘desirable’ has changed over time and through cultures). My statement isn’t ‘stupid’ or ‘ignorant’. It is actually coming from researched background.
I am not trying to pick fights, but instead trying to open doors for discussion. =) I hope I can get a ‘hate’ free reply from you. =)
P.S. My posts are never hateful (as it is against my moral standards to hate…that and I am aware of the fact that to hold anger in your heart just causes more pain for you to carry) and I try to put thought provoking statements into my posts…as to prevent the ‘stupidity’ that you so dislike (but don’t mind taking the time to read and comment on). =)
Good luck with that. And if you find a place where there isn’t any stupidity or hate, give me a call, will you? Actually, never mind – misanthropy still counts as hate. In fact, what struck me upon reading this thread is how you are the only person bandying about words like “hate” – and yet this last post of yours is the only one to actually imply hate, though in the specific form of misanthropy rather than misogyny or misandry. I choose to interpret this as a simple frustration-motivated venting, though, and believe that you don’t actually hate people in general
As for misogyny, it refers to hatred against women, not mere discrimination or devaluation. And hatred, as you know, doesn’t mean “dislike” or “discrimination” – it means full-blown, virulent “I wish they would all die and go to hell!”, “The only good [x] is a dead [x]” hatred. Calling somebody a misogynist is a very strong statement, on par with saying “You want to murder all women!”, and using it in the sense of “sexist against women” is weakening the term. It’s also highly offensive, as you’re basically accusing them of genocidal psychosis.
I agree that the picture and a few of the comments were in bad taste, but not enough to warrant such rhetoric on your part.
she may be famous for no good reason, but i think she’s much more likable and gorgeous than most famous “nobodies”. *coughparishiltoncough* she seems to me like she has a really sweet disposition. i like her, myself.
Just a guess, but I think most of what she has (skin coloring, breast size, hair length) is what she was born with and I think she’s a very pretty woman. That said, I think she’s also dumb as a box of rocks, as well as her sisters and mother, and she’s famous for nothing and will fade with time.
I really hope she wasn’t born with the breast size or the hair length.
Why?
because that would be an awkward delivery.
“your baby is 8lb, 6oz and a 34D”
Oh! Hahah…
34 chest size? Talk about OUCH for the mom! =/
34D is such a pain in the ass bra size to find. It is just barely too big for most people to carry it and just barely too small for the ‘bigger’ stores. *grumble*
Oh, please! I won’t go into my breast size here, but 34D is a walk in the park! Just look into the British bra makers–cost a lot more, but WELL WORTH IT. Well, for your size, the French are AWESOME. If you have some cash to spend, look at Aubade. Beautiful stuff! I wear Panache, myself. Try figleaves.com.
OMG I am so glad to know others had the same problem…It made me feel like a circus freak bc I couldn’t find my bra size…and my BF was getting mad @ ME which pissed me off.
Oh, girl! Been there, done that. It’s so frustrating–I went at least 20 years wearing the wrong sizes! There’s even Live Journal groups to commiserate with you….I think one is called “Thirty-twoDD”, or something like that.
If you ever watch Keeping up With the Kardashians, Kim rarely wears makeup on that show unless she is going out or doing her “confessionals”. Most of the time she doesn’t wear makeup, and uh…she does (or did until last year) have a real job. She was/is a makeup artist for music videos and photo shoots. That’s how she met Damon Thomas, and then they got married.
I don’t think make up is tantamount to lying. For one, to be ‘lying’ you must be mistelling the truth, and it must be to fool and cheat people without them knowing. In reality, men KNOW women wear make up, some MEN wear make up now days as well. Styling your hair and taking care of your appearance is expected in everyday society, and women who don’t have an attractive appearance will be passed up for the same oppertunities as a girl who adheres to social requirements. Hell, most women would be GLAD to meet a guy who actually took care of his appearance as much as is expected of women.
Guys who say “A guy should like you for YOU, without make up”… That’s true, but you usually find yourself looking at the girl while she’s in the make up, hair done, smiling because she feels confident. Very few women have clear beautiful skin naturally, and while after you get to know a girl and are really attracted to her brain her without make up is just as hot as with, social standards at first meeting are drastically different than several months along into a relationship. We aren’t all natural beauties, but we are constantly told by media in every direction that we should be.
Guys lying about things is lying, they’re meant to decieve without the truth being known. You KNOW girls are wearing make up, when men lie… women don’t know. That’s the falsehood, the deception.
Very well put! =)
Yes, very nicely done. That’s what I was trying to point out, above: that a lie is a willful, intentional transgression that will hurt another person, and the one who’s doing the hurting KNOWS that. Wearing makeup *might* be equated with a deception (and I think it’s a far stretch), but it is a cultural norm, and not for harmful purposes. They are not equal.
Good of you, also, to point out “who don’t have an attractive appearance will be passed up for the same oppertunities (sic)”. That’s very true, for men AND women. There have been many studies with this result. A more attractive person is usually given more raises and promotions in their field.
So why do men lie to those of us who are all natural? I wonder if you can’t get a girl, natural or otherwise, and that’s why you’re so resentful. I’m guessing that’s the case.
I’ve no idea, but I’m sure it’s still the woman’s fault! ;D
Are you talking about Orthodox Jews? Those are about the only women that don’t wear any makeup of any kind, eyeliner, lip stick,etc….
Did anyone ever once think that perhaps women like to put on make-up? That it is not always for the man but also for our own self esteem? Because it works both ways, it’s also about confidence and yes her body is real, she’s curvy and has naturally big breasts. And yes someone did do photoshop on her body to make her look extra hot, but without make up she’s still beautiful. SO it’s a win and a fail. it’s not a lie to enhance what she was given by nature. grow up and get a life if you think that all women who wear make-up are lying. I don’t think you understand why most of us actually wear it.
True. I WAS going to say that earlier, but didn’t think some of the misogynists (I’m sorry, but that’s what I think they are, and I don’t think using the term waters it down) above would’ve believed me. My spouse told me he loves me just as much w/o makeup & has said how wonderful I looked when I had on just a little undereye concealer & mascara, but I still prefer to do the whole enchilada. I feel more finished and I think I look gooood.
You need to examine WHY it would boost your self esteem. We know exactly whey you wear it, the same reason most women lie about their weight and age….ego. Of course only men have egos right?lol
“You need to examine WHY it would boost your self esteem.” I don’t know if this is directed at the previous poster, or myself, or both, but: No we don’t. It’s been explained to death in this forum, but in most of our culture, a large proportion of the women wear makeup. ALL of the pop culture icons and celebrities you see, and in all the advertising you see constantly–all of those women? They’re wearing makeup. Movies, music videos . . . YOUR MOM. They’re wearing makeup. It’s not conformity, exactly, but why would I want to walk around showing the veins around my nose, and not hide my teen acne scars, if I could look better? So–yeah, it’s my best face, and it’s not unadorned, but I don’t call it a “lie”. Since a huge majority of women in our culture wear makeup, then I think the majority of men are smart enough to realize *women are wearing makeup*. Or am I giving them too much credit? ::sigh::
Actually, the examples you cite are mostly people in the limelight. The vast majority of women I know — middle-aged, middle-class, white — wear little or no makeup. They’re too busy with real things to fool with it. The “full face” deal is largely confined to the American south, where it still seems to be de rigeur for some, the upper crust, and celebrities.
“It’s not conformity, exactly, but why would I want to walk around showing the veins around my nose, and not hide my teen acne scars, if I could look better?”
Men don’t do it (apart from the acne scars, maybe). It’s become so ingrained into our culture that women HAVE to care about their looks, that it’s only on places like here that people even notice it. It’s a double standard that started off as a desire to look sexually attractive to men, and eventually became conformity.
And what annoys me is the idea that it doesn’t matter you not wearing make-up as long as you look pretty without it. I stopped wearing make-up one day and some girl said to me, ‘It’s O.K, you don’t need it,” or something to that effect. Yeah, it’s a compliment, but I don’t like my appearance to be judged. I just don’t.
But I don’t judge women who do, and I don’t call it a lie, either. We’re all struggling together in this world, and provided you’re not stressing about it, there’s no harm in wearing a little make-up. But, in an ideal world, you (most women) really should feel confident without it. I do.
I’ve never lied about my age. Never. I have lied about my weight. I’m a little sensitive about that. Especially with most men (boys, really), who think unless you’re under 130 pounds, you’re a moose. Hell, at least 10 to 15 pounds of me is boobs, so you can discount some right off the bat. LOL Oh, wait: I forgot what decade I was living in . . . these days, unless you’re under 115, you’re an aircraft carrier. ::SIGH::
So true! Thank you for saying this.
LOVE it!!!
Kim Kardashian is Hot, i “FAP” to her everyday …..
Anyone who is saying neg things about this is retarded. i dont know of any girl who attempts to make herself look good without makeup and such. I don’t agree with implants. she doesn’t tan (if you idots actually knew who she was you know that both other sisters, her mom and her dad are that dark.
Not shown: Mind-bogglingly gigantic ass.
And don’t forget plastic. If you watch the video of Kim K getting a massage you can see the implant move. It’s freakish.
WIN!!!
And you wonder why you don’t get laid.
Sorry, this chick is disgusting. It’s like a clown.
Far too fake for me.
How are earrings a lie?
Are you suggesting that a person wearing earrings is trying to look like they have pretty metal (or otherwise) things attached to the side of their head?
Well thought out.
I can’t stand men who agree with this picture then turn around and talk bad about girls who don’t naturally look like something out of a painting.
I believe that women in today’s society are becoming more dependent on makeup and cosmetic surgery, but if you’re going to talk bad about that person then call any natural girl ugly, you’re setting yourself up for a bad marriage or single-for-life ordeal.
Marissa Miller wears very little makeup.
a lil chubby but still very cute
I dunno about other girls, but I wear makeup and make my hair look pretty because, er, I like the way it looks. Period. It’s nice if a guy likes the way I look, but that’s really not why I do it…
I know the point you were trying to make, it just didn’t make it all the way.
one really has nothing to do with the other, sorry fellas.
First of all, not all women feel the need to change themselves with plastic and chemicals…and for the record, women wouldn’t feel the need to do those things to their bodies if men didn’t convince them that they NEED to in order to get guys to LIKE them.
But what’s wrong with the earrings?
I don’t like her.
That’s all I’m gonna say.
she’s a celebrity, a socialite even.
thus, she is not a real woman. or man for that matter.
“God giveth you a face, and yet you paint yourself another one.” -Hamlet
There is a real difference between making yourself look good and lying. So this picture is insulting.
Agreed.
oh shut up ppl but i will admit this is funny and her breast are over sized
Her BREASTS (you mean–plural–there are two) “are oversized” (in your opinion) . . . that doesn’t make them a “lie”. Artificiality does, but I don’t think hers are artificial.
EPIC WIN!!
Uhhhh actually Kim Kardashian’s boobs are real…
And I really see nothing wrong with cosmetics and all that. Grooming is fun =D
IDGI…
She is actually naturally tanned as she is of mainly Turkish Armenian and descent. You can check her profile on my website.
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Hoo-wee, I sure do hate Kim Kardashian!
Women dress up not for men but because they’re in competition with other women. What they fear most is being snubbed by a better-dressed, better-groomed woman. Men are VERY unlikely to think ill of a woman because her purse doesn’t match her shoes.
If you’re confident with yourself and your body, you’ll look hot in sweat pants and a T-shirt.
well, i dont care what other women think of me. im in it for the men! XD
Misogyny much?
What I’m not understanding is how nice clothes and earrings could possibly be construed as ‘lying.’
Sure, but, people ARE born with that proportion lol. push up bras and padded butt jeans were invented for a reason, its easy to fake, even without surgery. I’m sure her rump is real.
wow, is that what you do to make you feel better about yourself? you get a picture of a beautiful woman and try to find excuses as to why shes so pretty. like “oh well its just because of this, of because of that and this and that.” just accept the fact your an ugly loser and shes gorgeous.
yep, girls are ugly by nature
oh man. very nice
This pictures is actually really pathetic.
Lets talk about “lying.” – Kim Kardashian is ONE of the many celebrities that have not gone under the knife into plastic surgery. Some of the people on this site need to know that everything that you read isn’t true.
And almost every girl you know wears some sort of make-up, so are we all the reasons why men lie?
Whoever made this photo needs to find a better celebrity to target because Kim Kardashian is a role model and everything about her is real. Maybe all of you are jealous?
Shes gorgeous. Find a better target, like Britney Spears who is definitely someone worth chewing up and spitting out.
Isn’t she famous because her dad got some guy off scott free for murder?
Seems like an odd thing to get famous for.
Um, i’m not sure whether or not you took the time to actually look at that picture. If nothing else, her face looks *very* un-natural. I mean, make-up is fine and all… but she practically looks like some sort of fish with all that gupp slathered on! And if you can’t believe everything that you read, then how do you know if you’re right? Let’s face it everybody: we don’t know what’s real and what’s not. All we know is what we’ve heard, read, and what we can sort of see from videos and pictures, WHICH CAN ALL BE ALTERED. nobody knows for sure, but, we do know that even those reality tv shows can have scripts. C’mon everybody, let’s grow some braincells, shall we?
shut up, anyone who has used photoshop for a few weeks knows the extent of airbrushing and what can be done with it, research before you let jealousy creep into your stubby-1940′s-catholic nun-fingers and spew total….. ugh just shut up noob
all that and the ugly bi**h who made this caption still wouldn’t be 1% the hotness Kim Kardashian is, enough said.
eye shadows that are waterproof are great and i always use them.~”
lol yeah, taking care of your appearance is EXACTLY the same as lying to your partner.
pathetic.
lip gloss with olive oil is the best because it can moisturize your lips as well .:~
although very fake the comment ‘beauty is only skin deep’ shes a really nice person on the inside too =]
I totally agree with Flick… what the hell does making yourself look good have anything to do with lying to your partner!!?? idiot
that is not the same at all
i think personality counts to be honest like i may only be teen myself but what happens if a girl who is really beautiful and happends to be a complete and utter cow then if she gets some sort of illness and her looks fade away then ur gonna have a pretty nasty girl as ur gf and ur gonna feel pretty dumb because u went 4 her looks instead :L…….to be honest i think it’s the inside tht counts really
if u dont then i would say ur pretty dumb.
What a long discussion caused by a joke. Anyhoo I personally don’t think any of that stuff is a lie because if you were to bump into her that day – looking like that – and you banged her that night only to find out shes much less attractive in the morning. You still had sex with her when she was looked ‘finished’ or ‘polished’ as other commenter’s have said.
Now if she wore that make up etc and right in the middle while your having sex she wipes it all off and screams ‘hahaha GOTCHA!’ that would qualify as a lie.
Wearing silver earrings and couture clothes?
Not a lie…
Whoever made this has limited brain power
Real boobs, real lips, skin colour and real butt. Leave the poor woman alone. In the work she does she needs the extra layer of make up for photographs. In her everyday life she wears the same amount of make up that any woman would wear, nothing ott except when required of her. KK is a real woman.
kim kardashian is tidy and those are not inplants trust me
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Agreed!
But I think not wearing a bra at all would be more in line with “natural,” not just specifically push-up bras.
“You think make up is only things like mascara, lipgloss and blusher? It’s more than that. If you go around saying that girls shouldn’t be liars and be all natural and that girls that use make up are liars, then most of the women you know would be liars! They use foundation, concealer, highlighter etc, and you’re too stupid to even notice.”
Ha! EPIC WIN.
Ok if women stop expecting men to shave since hair on our faces is natural.
I suppose I can’t argue with that.
Found one, thanks for the advice, tho’. Doesn’t stop me from commenting on the collective culture that has arisen around me. Doesn’t stop many men from SAYING how much they hate makeup, like my last relationship (before my spouse, that is), saying how they like “natural women”, etc. Then he turns right around one day when Pam Anderson is on the TV and says how hot he thinks she is. Oh. My. Effin’. God. Really? That’s “natural” and un-madeup, huh?
Or a man who thinks they’re beautiful no matter what they look like, and does not dwell on physical appearance.
First you talk about “every aesthetic need”, as if it’s just hair and makeup; but then you end up talking about “everything replaced with silicone”. I hope you’re not still talking about the photo, because, as another has already pointed out, her breasts are real. I don’t know about any other areas on her, but I don’t think she’s had very much in the way of plastic surgery. I imagine eventually, if she stays in the whatever-list celeb spotlight, that she’ll have plenty o’surgery, like her mom. But not so far.
that has to be the most ridiculous view point i have ever read. if you have never heard of a man trashing a woman, maybe you should venture, i dunno, outside, read a history book or perhaps even go as far as to turn these machines known as televisions.
women don’t do this kind of crap like it’s scrap booking or knitting, it’s not a part time hobby to pass a sunday afternoon.
if they do it for themselves, it is to feel good about themselves, and that perception of what looks good is created by media and that certainly isn’t created by aunt b’s bingo circle. if they do it for other women, it’s for competition.
what it boils down to is women do this stuff for us guys and we generate the demand for it, so it creates the supply.
p.s. when guys say they like “natural” they actually mean they want women to “naturally” look like they rolled out of photoshop.
Obviously she’s not “natural,” but that’s hardly the point, now is it?
The argument *isn’t* that makeup is unattractive, merely that it’s deceptive.
If it didn’t evoke attraction, there’d hardly be a point to the argument, now would there? Men would say (and mean) “I hate makeup” and women would have no motive to embellish their appearance for the sake of male attention (unless she just enjoys wearing makeup, the same way some women – and men – I know just love doing hair). The entire practice would already have fallen by the wayside without much debate.
But men do find the end result attractive, and so the practice persists. But men can still observe that a) “You’re not really as pretty as you’ve made yourself seem,” and b) “making yourself up thus is a (minor) form of deception.” The fact that pretty much no one is that “pretty” without some helo is a distinct (if related) issue. I’m sorry your ex was taken in by the lie, but that doesn’t make it any less of an illusion.
None of this is to say that women are bad for wearing makeup, or that men are in any way excused for the crazy stuff they do. But deception and insincerity are a part of our culture, and as far as I can tell it’s pretty much ubiquitous in all but the forms it takes.
“Obviously she’s not “natural,” but that’s hardly the point, now is it?” Yes, yes i is, it’s EXACTLY the point. To say one likes natural and unmadeup and then to say you desire the person who (at the time) was THE most UNnatural and MOST madeup person on the planet, is, in effect, either LYING or FOOLING ONESELF. Either way, get real.
“But men do find the end result attractive, and so the practice persists. But men can still observe that a) ‘You’re not really as pretty as you’ve made yourself seem,” and’ b) ‘making yourself up thus is a (minor) form of deception.’”
Thank you; you’ve made my point with the 1st sentence. The practicehas persisted because men LIKE THE RESULT. They desire it. They can whine all they want that it’s “a *minor* form of deception” [emphasis my own], but don’t try to act like it’s a sucker punch! It’s expected in our culture. It’s not on par with, “No, honey, I played poker with the guys last night . . . no, I’m sure that lipstick on my collar and the glitter on the lap of my pants isn’t mine”. It’s not even on par with telling a potential date that you’re a neurosurgeon when you work in a body shop.
Those are intentional MISDEEDS, harming another person with whom you should be building a trust. Putting on cosmetics is presenting your best face to the world, but it’s still YOUR FACE. Makeup can make a wondrous difference, but IN PERSON, one is still going to see past the makeup to a person’s pizza face or thin lips.
Now, cosmetic surgery, THAT is more than enhancement….that could
truly be considered a lie. Not that I generally have a problem with it.
Some people need it to be functional, self-esteem-wise.
But it does commit a workaround on evolution, doesn’t it?
Also, there’s a difference between hypocrisy and self-delusion. And there’s a difference between being personally or philosophically opposed to “artificial” beauty and admitting that the end result is attractive. I never said that a made-up appearance was a “sucker punch,” nor did I attempt to place it on par with compounding philandering with deception.
But when someone points out the issue, its equally disingenuous to say it’s men’s fault for reading Playboy.
Of *course* men find it attractive, or you’d think everyone would’ve stopped bothering years ago. You can’t use the effectiveness of the ruse to justifu its continued existence. By that logic “no honey that lipstick on my collat isn’t mine” could be justified by the logic of “Because of that lie, we’re still married” – a situation that (depending on the marriage) no amount of honesty miht have salvaged.
I’ll admit the difference in level of deception, but if the ends justify the means then I feel compelled to point out that the stakes are higher as well.
Oh no – putting makeup on is also a deed, and if you’re applying a moral weight to honesty, then it could be argued as a misdeed. I’m not much more honest for dressing up like a fireman and rescuing cats from trees than if I went that extra two inches and verbally proclaimed myself to be a fireman.
I really don’t care much about the distinctions between makeup and cosmetic surgery, even as it applies to evolution; sure, you might be glossing over some congenital defects, but if you can put together the scratch to afford he surgery then you’re probably doing something right. So really it just causes evolution to select for a different value. And from a perspective of honesty, it’s really only a matter of degree.
Personally, I’m all for it – ladies, prop up your self-esteem with makeup, flattering clothes and elective surgery; I’m all for it, and it doesn’t really affect me at all, But don’t pretend that insincerity is a sex-linked trait.
Actually I think it’s primarily because Daddy is a famous lawyer, isn’t he?
Hey, I’m really glad that you as a “guy” feel qualified to tell me exactly why I as a chick make an attempt to take care of myself.
Women are vicious. When I started hanging out with a group of guys, I actually let myself go somewhat and none of the guys cared at all. That’s because other women will tear you apart if you let yourself slide at all; it’s their way of battling their own insecurities.
I wear make-up because I have a semi-professional job, and I think make-up helps a woman look “polished” and “finished.” For the same reason I wear suits and suitjackets.
And if I wear bras that make my figure look a little better than it does naturally, so what? It makes me feel good about my appearance and it certainly doesn’t hurt with the male population.
Thank you.