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(Gerard Butler)
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With a nasty little sunburn. I think the only things raped in this movie were my ears and Gaston Leroux’s work.
No raping going on in this movie. I liked it though to be fair I haven’t read the book. *blush*
OK. English lesson for those apparently not familiar with the language:
Rape: n. 1)The crime of forcing another person to submit to sexual intercourse
2) The act of seizing and carrying off by force
3) Abusive of improper treatment
Well, #3 works for LibraryShade…
thnks for being a smarty pants
Yes, but unless you are familiar with the exact dictionary definition, you are naturally going to default to the FIRST definition which is more widely used.
I could use “Sanguinary” to mean I want something vehemently, but that’s not the main usage. The main meaning is “Bloodthirsty” and that’s what anyone who knows the word would think I meant.
I don’t know… in the scene where Phantom first took Christine down into the labyrinth where night is blind… ahem. After “Music of the Night” Christine faints, and she clearly has on stockings, and Phantom lays her down on a bed… but when she wakes up, her stockings are GONE! Nasty, dirty, evil phantom!
/me drools. Gerard ButlerPhantom can do me, passed-out or awake. I don’t care.
Sign me up!
without the whole phantom getup, Butler is kinda “eh”, but with the mask and the slicked back hair and the 19th century clothes, he’s just drop dead gorgeous. It just seems like that to me, I don’t know why.
But Phantom Gerard Butler can kidnap me any time he likes
*drool*
I *know*, right?
LOL.
gerard butler phantom is the hottest phantom of them all i love the way he lookes, in the cape and mask and all! He sings realy great and the way he posed in this photo is just so cool!
TSM!
aaaagggrreeee ! i think people need to stop comparing him to michael crawford . hello ? two different styles ! and people , that is okay ! if andrew lloyd webber didn’t want him as the phantom , he wouldn’t have casted him as the phantom . michael crawford – my heart broke in two . gerard butler – my heart was shattered .
*gets in line*
*takes a number*
I’d have to agree with LIbraryShade– this movie was loosely based on the Cover Art of Leroux’s Book.
Which is not to say anything about Sexy Gerard Butler
This movie just stunk to High Heaven.
I agree. Gerard is lovely, but it took me ages to forgive him
for this turkey.
I’ve got nothing against Gerard — he’s just a bit too sexy, muscular, and off-key to be a good Erik (ie, Phantom for all you non-Leroux-readers).
Leonidas, on the other hand . . . meow.
Vampires are not really that cool
That was random. But no, they are not. Especially if they sparkle.
i loved the movie, it only cvomes second to Silent Hill!
Erik could beat up Cullen with both hands tied behind his back.
that would be epic to see…
Ok, this movie isn’t really based on the book. It’s a theatrical production of a Broadway show that has been the most successful ever. Look up Andrew Lloyd Webber and see what he says on the matter. He wrote it for his *at that time* girlfriend. Even he admits its a loosely based adaptation.
i’m budgin ahead of you all!!! hehehe
*cuts in front of the line*
i agree he is so hot in that movie that sexy cape twirl will just melt you *drool*
hahahahaha EXACTLY!!!!! =]
only–I’d prefer awake and it’s not rape if we like it haha
you mean, her Nick R. Bockers are gone?! *gasp*
That was a filming error. They forgot to put her stocking on her when they filmed that part. Schumacher and the rest had to address this because fans noticed it immediately. I think they filmed that part first, and then filmed the parts with the stockings on later and didn’t realize she wasn’t wearing stockings in the lair scene.
Naughty boy.
Hey, cut him some slack, the poor guy lives in a sewer…
:O Never noticed that! And, like, how he has a frigging mannequin of her, and everything? Creepy.
I’m sorry, Gerard, I still love you!
you know movie maker people make mistakes as you can see {when he first takes her to his layer} when she faints her right arm isnt sticking out {when he shows her the wedding dress} but when you see him taking her to his bed all of sudden her arm is sticking out if you pay close attention to that part you get what im trying to say and just to say i worn some stalkings like that and they ich so she probably took them off and forgot to put them back on i mean it’s movie makers mistakes you know .. just to let you know and also they film different scenes at different times so some stuff is different than what they were before..
oh and i just saw that seen b/c im watching the movie and she’s still wearing the stalkings you know again pay close attention to that part and you’ll see that im right..:)
yeah…the closest was Christine being carried to the bed… but no rape.
Hear hear!
This was one of the worst adaptations. Nothing can match the original novel!
Agreed!
^ COMMENT WIN
COMMENT WIN!
Not a bad movie. Even the violence was mild.
Okay, I read the book, I saw the musical on Broadway and I watched the movie. And I thought they were all amazing. Sure the book and the movie have their differences (albeit large ones) but what book made into a movie doesn’t? And Andrew Webber basically just took his musical and made it into a movie, which was already changed from the book and no one ever complained about that.
He was badass.
And that’s attractive.
Yeah I definately would have taken him…psycho or not lol
I’m trying to persuade one of my friends that when someone both sings and
kills people, it makes them badass and hardcore.
She’s not buying it, for some reason.
“When a dude can wear a leather jacket, and like Liza Minelli, that’s bad-ass!” -Gerard Way
Creepy looking dude. What’s this supposed to be? Don’t tell me it’s another musical.
phantom of the opera.
We are not sophisticated enough for this!
Phantom of the Opera
Gerard Butler played the Phantom in the movie version [he's King Leonidas in 300].
Yes, it’s a musical.
Oh GAWD!!!! Excuse me while I go vomit.
…and thank you for the response to both of you.
What exactly is wrong with musicals? Awesome music, incredible talent… how awful.
THIS IS OPERA!!!
i lol’d
You just about killed me with that one.
Then he kicks Roul…
Even better.
I might have to watch the movie just to see how much I can bastardize into being a remake of 300…
It’s kinda weird that the movie is lying on my desk this very moment. I was watching it about 10 minutes before I came to RoflRazzi and once again encountered the lovely Mr Butler…
i hate roul. gerard butler walks into buildings and sets them on FIRE. thats how hot he is plus roul looks gay and gerard looks sexy. so if any body says roul is hot, i might have to cuss them out!
Do your worst. Because as much as I love our Phantom and pity him.. HE LET HER GO
Did ANYONE notice that? She didn’t “choose Raoul” HE LET HER GO. And Raoul is a nice, stable young man.
So stop bashing the Vicomte. ERiK GAVE HER UP
The Vicomte de Chagny can fall of the highest cliff or drown in the Mariana Trench. and i will do my worst. but sadly it must be in my mind for fear they might delete my comment before you read it. and he let her go because he found it in his heart that he didn’t want her to suffer with him. and while Christine is the protaganist and is awesome, she was cruel to give the Phantom that hope when she came back to him to give back the ring. and yes, Raoul is a nice stable young man, i never said he wasn’t i just said he LOOKS gay. but to defend christine and Raoul, Erik is around Madame Giry’s age, and Christine is around Meg’s age. thats a generation difference right there.
I hate Christine, she’s just a cruel b****. She repeatedly kicked the Phantom while he was down.
Why’d she have to go with Vicomte de Pansy, who had to get his ass saved from Erik TWICE.
Besides, Erik wouldn’t be so crazy if his mother (and Christine for that matter) hadn’t made him that way. And it was Christine repeatedly breaking his heart that really drove him loony.
Besides, Gerard Butler makes a drop-dead gorgeous Phantom, whereas Raoul is just a wimpy pretty boy, whatever the actor.
Raoul was stupid, what self-respecting hero would look behind him as the villain walks toward him and reaches down? Stupid I was rooting for the phantom.
“in the movie version”
Well, in one movie version. There’s been several…
And I say no one’s done it better than Lon Chaney yet.
Three words: fishhooks in face.
Badass.
Any Phantom of the Opera who is not Lon Chaney = FAIL.
WIN!
Two words: Ramin Karimloo.
Even better, it’s a High School Musical, from the looks of the actresses. Okay, on with the flogging.
ACK!!! NO! Don’t do this to me.
………anything with the word musical in it gives me the hyves.
Is that how you spell hyves or is it hives?
Hives.
You’re joking, right?
Good lord…what rock have you been under for the past several years?
Oh wait…you’re one of the 15 year-olds on this thing, sorry. Never mind.
hey! i’m 15, and seen the play twice! so take that!
Hey! I’m 15 and I’ve read the book more times than I can count, seen the musical and can compare them all in terms of plot and character to the movie.
oh come on! he may be horribly disfigured and psychotic, and he may have been a stalker and murderer, but he was the original emo-kid and still managed to be incredibly sexy and romantic! everything he did was for luuuuvv (of a girl half his age… but that WAS the norm in that time period…)
Roul was a pansy… Christine should have gone with Phantom!
Ever watched SVU? All those guys do what they do for “luv”, and they end up in prison, where they belong. Phantom of the Opera is a misrepresentation of how to express love; and the fact that it is romanticised completely disgusts and amuses me. It shows you that anything can be portrayed as romantic if put in the correct context… (*cough cough* vampire trying to kill you *cough cough*)
it´s romantic because in the end he lets her go out of love…. or at least that´s how i see it. before that, i just thought he was an ass, but at the end i was crying for him.
Couldn’t agree more! Down with Raoul!
Christine belongs with Raoul you fools. If she didn’t have the sense to stick with the genius musician, then she’s better off with someone who thinks on her grade level (by US standards, this would be about 2nd grade).
not to mention the fact that her whole life was shaped by this man who watched over her, protected her and taught her everything she knew. She was a budding star because of what he taught her. She was devoted to her mysterious angel until pansy-ass Raoul shows up and ruins things…
GOD I can’t watch that movie anymore…
Christine’s such a moron… she knew Phantom watched her all the time and she still had that kissy-gooy love song on the roof and totally broke his heart!
DX
Not to mention Raoul is stupid enough to charge into the lair of a homicidal maniac….and not take a weapon!
He’s probably a eunuch.
And Erik has better hair.
Um… Did you just say Erik has better hair? Assuming we’re talking about the movie, if you pay attention you’ll notice the dark, slicked back hair is a WIG that comes off after Point Of No Return. So… Erik has a better wig.
Oh my god, I hated that scene on the roof, Erik was there the whole time and had this totally pitiful and dejected look on his face, and then he’s sitting there crying, and Christine and Raoul have to break into song again.
I hated every scene w/ Christine and Raoul. I love seeing Christine and Erik together.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who dislikes the phantom. He’s a serious creeper.
The only real Phantom was Lon Chaney. All the rest are wannabees with gloopy voices. Take that, Andrew Loyd “All-the-better-to-distract-you-from-the submediocre-score” Weber.
dude… HOWARD MCGILLIN. best phantom ever..
More of a Crawford person myself. Anybody who is usually a comedian and then stands up and does this is okay in my book.
The Phantom might have been a stalker, but Raoul was completely useless. If I’d been Christine I think I would have just said to hell with the lot.
Agreed!
i can has a new suitor?
This needs to be a photo and caption all on its own!
No kidding. Raoul was a complete douchebag, and the Phantom was just some whiny middle-aged guy going through some sort of demented midlife crisis. Christine could have done much better than the both of them.
No rape in this movie. a guy that sexy doesnt have to
all he has to do is ask *drool* id tap that 
:D:D
Rape? I missed that part of the movie. But who cares, Gerard Butler is indeed hot and I wouldn’t mind waking up in various states of undress thanks to him. But sadly the movie and musical versions are horrible representations of the novel…and until someone does it right people who haven’t read the novel will continue to hate it.
I have read it, and I still stand by my below comment.
I got sent to the principal’s office and suspended for two days when I mentioned ‘sexual assaunt’ and ‘romanticizing abusive, manipulative realtionships’ while watching this in literature in 9th grade. They acted like I was the only one, and I’m glad someone else sees it this way, too. If he wasn’t ‘hot’, women would be disgusted by him.
I prefer him in P.S. I Love you. He’s sexy and not a killer.
But that accent!
*drools* Scottish men…
And the kilts.. what I would kill to see Gerry in a kilt
He’s also dead. You’re into necrophilia now?
Congratulations, you just won an Internets!
Never saw the movie-whole concept is creepy……
I resent this! Nobody was raped in that movie, and only annoying people were murdered.
If it’s okay to murder annoying people, then I’m way behind schedule.
Oh Deb, you’re not THAT annoying, don’t kill yourself!
It’s not okay as in legal…..but annoying-ness is certainly a mitigating factor: “But your honor! he just would. not. shut. up!!!”
“In that case, the defendent is released on her own recognizance. Adjourned.”
I guess that means its ok to murder you then?
And he’s even more of a psychopath in the book.
Oh aye, much nastier…
Hot hot hot man. Totally miscast. What woman in her right mind would run away from him? They should have cast Carrot Top. The screams would have been heard across town.
Carrot Top as the Phantom is going to give me nightmares for the rest of my natural life. *shudder*
Dear Goddess.
I agree… *shudder*
Are you Wiccan too?
Vaguely.
Very nice
Has anyone ELSE noticed the fact that this guy can’t sing worth a crap?
He’s…okay, but he’s definitely not Michael Crawford!
I wish they’d made him look uglier. He’s supposed to be so terrible-looking that people freak out when they see him. Plus his “Masquerade” costume was really lame compared to the stage version.
Euch. I saw a bit of Michael Crawford’s performance… He seemed a bit…. Flamboyant. And had a girly voice… Not that Butler was great but I saw the film first so I’m quite attached to his singing.
And I grew up listening to Michael Crawford, so it’s easy to see where my bias is. That being said, at least I sat through the movie. I’m pretty sure my mom, the major Phantom buff in the family, flat out refused to see it.
Crawford was too old by the time they made the movie. And Butler wasn’t trying to be Crawford, to be fair. Lloyd-Webber himself said that he always wanted to do a version of the Phantom who sounded more like a rock star and wanted to make the movie so that he could do some of the things that stage did not allow (real horses in the opera house, all real people in the Masquerade number (not some real and some cut-outs). I thought Gerry did a very credible job, for a non-professional singer. And Emmy Rossum was SOOO much easier to listen to than Sarah Brightman (who was also too old by the time they made the movie). Emmy may not have been the greatest actress for the part, but she could sing the part. LLoyd-Webber retained enough artistic control that it wasn’t the disaster that some adaptations have been. Of course, if you didn’t like the musical to begin with….you’re not going to like the movie.
No one can be Michael Crawford… but I eventually forgave Gerard for that.
And I found far greater fault with Emmy Rossum’s “singing” than with his.
well, the part was written for sarah brightman while she was married to ALW. of course she’s going to be the pinnacle of “christine”. it fits her range perfectly and it suits her singing style. however, if you heard her sing it now you’d wonder who was butchering the songs… she doesn’t have the voice anymore. she’s gotten VERY lazy and can’t do it.
however, emmy rossum was NOT well cast. yes, she could actually sing. but her voice was FAR too wimpy for christine’s voice. christine is this timid woman with a hell of a voice… rossum was just wimpy voice and woman.
Oh, trust me, I’ve heard Brightman’s more recent renditions of the Phantom songs, and they’re ear-splitting.
The amazing voice was one of Christine’s few redeeming factors (I always thought she was kind of a ninny, I just adore the Phantom) and when Rossum didn’t have that… the character just became annoying and a bit whiny. (In my opinion, anyway.)
And in all fairness, there are very few sopranos, even professionals, who can hit a high E and make it sound easy, like Brightman used to. That role is kind of a beast.
Have you even heard Rossum’s rendition of “Think of Me”? That’s ear trauma.
I thought Minnie Driver was excellent in this movie!
Lip Sync! They only song she did was on the extended soundtrack, and it sucked.
i was happy to see the rape issue addressed, rapist he was not.
as far as romanticizing the negative… this was a hollywood movie. based on a broadway musical. based on a book. romanticized? guaranteed.
it’s a bit of beauty and the beast and the point is in the end he tried to redeem himself. she didn’t marry or continue a relationship with the older man that exploited and abused her, she left and married a douche. either way, not a great role model, but then, it is a movie.
Just for the record, there is absolutely NO RAPING in the book either. In fact, much is different in the plot line. In the book, Christine is empty-headed and although Raul really loves her, she continues to tell him its just a game until it all falls apart in the end. I don’t know how this person got the idea that raping was in any way involved in this story. He’s probably just jealous that all the ladies like Phantom and not him.
I need to read the book…
Try “The Point of No Return”
About the “bodies entwining” Musical rape
He forced her to essentially sing “I want your sex, dammit”
Gerard Butler!! He was so cute as the Phanny. If he would appear in my mirror I wouldn’t mind. I actually liked the movie. Okay the 2005 movie can never win from the Musical, but it was pretty good. And there was indeed no rape involved anywhere in the book, musical or film.
The only problem I have with the movie is that even without the mask Erik/Phantom looked extremely sexy. In the book they discribe him as a seriously disfigured creature and he was even more evil in the book. In the movie it just looked like he had burnt his face
Left him out in the sun a little too long?
My mother and I were speculating when we watched this version.
We decided it was really bad acne.
That would have been much more frightening.
And why does removing the mask bleach his hair?
Eric wears wigs. You see them in his lair on heads. He is supposed to be much older. (In Leroux, he has only a few strands of hair.)
Ahhh, thanks for explaining! I really need to read the book.
it was 2004.
Notice how most of the comments only refer to the recent movie.
If you read or see more than one version of Phantom of the Opera, then you will have a better description of who Erik was.
He assaulted and murdered people. He manipulated Christine’s vulnerability and gullible tendencies to try to have a relationship that he’s always wanted, always dreamed of. His upbringing wasn’t the best, and his actions were not innocent or favorable. He did not rape her. I haven’t seen ANY version on which Erik rapes her.
The original novel only shows Erik as a monster. “Phantom” by Susan Kaye gives an in depth view on his life which explains why he may have done those things.
The point is that the reader should feel sympathetic for Erik in the end, mostly because he is human who is not perfect.
Christine and Raoul, in each version I’ve known, are nothing special, IMO.
If I am not mistaken, all versions imply that the Phantom was impotent because of the same affliction that ruined his face.
You’re mistaken. Kay’s, um, version, made Erik into a total horndog. Leroux implies that Erik may be old, since he says to Christine “How nice of you to save me the exertion at my age!” I’m trying to remember if the silent Chaney version implied impotence,b ut I don’t remember any specific references.
there is a point in the Kay phantom where there was an exorcism and i THINK it might have affected said potency. and yes, erik was old enough to be christine’s father. there is also a mention in the kay book where he basically “rapes” her with his music but physically..no…
He does consider it at one point, but he decides against it. I’ve never read the original book, but I have seen the play AND the movie(btw, I too think Gerard Butler is sexy in his role) and I have read Susan Kay’s “Phantom” which I much preferred to the play or the movie.
I interpreted the “this face has denied me the joys of the flesh” line to mean “I’ve never gotten laid, because I look like a decaying skull. It really sucks.”
But maybe that’s just me.
I liked Erik (the Phantom) in the book. He only went crazy when he realized Christine was playing him. He wanted – and was going – to give her the world, but she left him the minute she found a pretty bow who had just as much money as Erik.
Also, in the end of Kay’s book, the true father of Christine’s child is heavily hinted at being Erik….
Btw, I love Kay’s book. I LMAO every time i get to the part where Erik is freaking out trying to get rid of/hide the bodies of those that fell into his trap because he really was trying to keep his word he wouldnt murder anymore LOL
I loved it too, and it’s much better than its cheesy cover art.
Christine not only gave birth less than nine months after her wedding, but by his looks, the son looks like the picture of Erik’s father.
Because of complications from her first pregnancy (rH factor?), Raoul states her doctor said she could not risk another pregnancy … not such a great situation.
She did a great job.
I also love the way Leroux was able to explain every incident with incredible historical explanations: the steam heat, the gunpowder, how Erik obtained his provisions, etc.
Did anyone else while reading the book think either of these two things? The ratcatcher was Erik (another large source of income, lots was paid to the man). To paraphrase, “a wing of the opera lower level that the Phantom was known (yeah, right) not to go to”. Also, the substance that caused Carlotta’s voice to fail – I read into it that it made her lose her voice and that the croaking was the product of Erik’s ventriloquism talent.
What exactly did he rape? I think I missed that part.
The audience’s ears.
Worst singing in a musical since Lee Marvin croaked his way through “Paint Your Wagon”…
actually lee spoke the words more than sang them. i’d say he’s on par with clint in paint your wagon or pierce in mamma mia. as actors tho, they all did well. i don’t think my ears felt raped so much as offended.
oh, so it’s like Twilight with singing?
except no one sparkles when they’re horny.
Erik could own Cullen with a spoon.
Or more preferably a punjab or a bit of piano wire or his BARE HANDS.
Wait… in the book (won’t watch the god-awful movies) Edward plays piano… Oh no. I think they might actually get along really well!! >[]O
uh.. minus the sparkles and vampires…..suuuuuure.
Compared to the Phantom I saw on stage who was probably scared of heights and had a hard time with vocal projection, Butler was pretty dang good. Mom liked his performance when we saw the movie in the big screen, and she’s very much a Phan.
So if we have skewed taste, at least we also have fun singing along. ^n_n^
Fail. The movie was great, the book was great, the play is great. Gerry may not have been the best Erik, but he was damn good.
Complete and total agreement
Here, here! I can think of a dozen or so WORSE choices without any trouble.
This. I totally agree. I love Erik, and I’ve been a fan of the musical for about fifteen years. Though, the film does speak to the harrowing effects of acne on a person’s psyche.
TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL!!!!!!
The protagonist of PotO is like Edward Cullen with depth. (Sounds like a menu item).
Edward Cullen….$1.99
Edward Cullen + side of depth…$2.99
I for one would much rather eat the Phantom.
THANK YOU! i am so glad somebody else agrees with me. i saw the theatrical version and after hearing “oh it’s so beautiful and romantic” for so many years i was actually expecting a tragic love story, instead i was completely traumatised
I…don’t think Erik raped anyone in france? insofar as the book went, at least.
They could have found a better phantom and a better christine for the movie. Neither did the play or the book justice.
And the phantom is supposed to have a mesmerizing voice. Honestly, there was no mesmerizing… i was not mesmerized.
I was! In more ways than one…
No. There was no rape in the book.
This film isn’t trying to compete with Lon Chaney’s version – that was a horror and this is a romance. It’s not trying to be a horror just because of the material it was based on – it’s a complete look at the plot from a different perspective – many authors have done this over time.
I agree that no rape but it is hard to reconcile yourself with the fact that, in this version, the Phantom is grooming Christine from a very young age. They should never have put that scene in – it completely alters the character and what it was he was actually doing.
and no, this is nothing like Twilight of HSM. Will HSM be even more popular in 20 years than now? Maybe. Twilight – doubtful! But this is certainly not of the same league.
Ah my god!! *faints*
Yeeeeeaaah.. there’s no rape in Phantom. Nice try.
1) the serialization and eventual book were published as fiction
2) no rape: phantom wants to be wanted by, to be chosen by, not to have christine. christine is his surrogate mother, after being rejected by his birth mother
3) eric/erik does not kill anyone in the books, in paris. after killing in self-defence during the course of a rape, being forced to be an assassin and performing a mercy killing, he escapes persia with his life with help from the persian who makes him promise never to kill again
4) to protect his territory in the opera lower levels, he sets up traps in which “invaders” elect suicide to “keep” his promise in letter if not spirit
5) he is protective of his territory because he’s been brutalized after trying to live normally – he wants normalcy more than anything
6) christine never tells raoul she loves him in the movie or the musical
7) esp in leroux’s book, you can draw very many parallels between raoul and eric: military career vs assassin, akwardness with girls, the list goes on …
actually he does kill in Paris near the end..not bouquet the scene hanger, the male lead singer guy that made such a memorable impression on me:P kills him so he can take his place in don juan,,also in at least one of the books i read (original maybe) they make a point of saying the chandeleir that fell on the sudience killed the lady who was going to replace m. giry..plus of course, anyone else it landed on…
And Raoul’s elder brother.
I may have my versions mixed up, but in Leroux, did he kill Piangi? I do remember Joseph Bouqet (sp?) found Erik’s back door and broke in very deliberately and found himself in the torture chamber, and then hung himself.
The Count drowned in the lake while going to find Raoul (and that harlot Christine).
Erik didn’t make the lake but used it to defend his home. Of course he took full advantage of it: the siren.
yeah..pretty sure he killed piangi (thanks for the name) because they found his body
(musical, theres a scream and blar! everyone panics) But he had to kill him in the end to take his place on stage..though in some versions they knew it would be him before the unmasking onstage
But not in the books. Piangi isn’t even mentioned in the Leroux
Can I just share that this thread TOTALLY just gave my high school flashbacks? God, I was such a DORK… and I was totally obsessed with this musical (the movie wasn’t out yet, and yes, it was disappointing, but Gerard Butler did make one fine-looking Phantom) Ack! God, do you see what you just did to me????
I smell a jealous person.
And Raoul is still a pathetic fop.
PS He didn’t rape anyone.
I just wish they had completed the movie when Antonio Banderas was still up for the part of the Phantom:(
*drools*
If they wanted to make a great movie they would have stuck to the book’s actual amazing plot line. The ALW version changed so much. Argh.
id like to make a comment; i have read story and seen movie the. is. NO. raping! thank you very much only murder, kidnap and assult!
just to set the record straight.
…..
but hes still awsome!
Erik never actually raped anyone. L2read.
The movie sucked. The book is awesome.
ERIK IS ACTUALLY UGLY OMG
And Christine didn’t love him in the book.
Eh? There is no rape in the film or the musical :S
I think someone needs to do their homework.
The point is…all these swooning “Phans” gripe that Christine chose Raoul over the Phantom…but c’mon, in the original book, Christine is a flighty drip, and in the film versions, she’s always fairly stupid. I mean, jeez, she hears a voice in her dressing room and thinks it’s an angel? At least Raoul, milksop that he is, was a better match for her, and in the end, a safer one.
The Phantom was a murderer, which alone puts him beyond the pale. He also manipulated and used Christine shamelessly. He was insanely possessive and controlling….and in fact, in many ways fits the profile of the classic abusive boyfriend. Anyone choosing him would have to be insane or self-destructive.
Yeah, he didn’t rape, but everything else said about him is true. Innocent of rape hardly makes him Gandhi. And in the movie version of the musical, he’s also guilty of arson.
That movie seriously dropped the ball…the Phantom’s face is called “distorted, deformed, it was hardly a face” by the lyrics. When unmasked, the face is supposed to inspire shock, horror, and pity…and when Butler was unmasked, all I wanted to do was to refer him to my dermatologist. Erik’s supposed to be hideously deformed, not suffering from a mildly unpleasant skin condition that could be easily cured with an antibiotic ointment. FAIL
Hear hear!
The image I had in my head of Erik from the book was much more terrifying than Gerard Butler with eczema. Though his voice (not to mention Emmy Rossum’s) was pretty scary…
You win many Internets! Fraggin’ sopranos… she deserves the eunuch…
He didnt rape anyone, thanks!!
I bring this up constantly; it’s impossible for me to listen to sit through this godawful raping of Leroux’s work.
“Hounded out by everyone;
Met with hatred everywhere;
No kinds words from anyone;
No compassion anywhere! Why? WHY?”
Uh… because you’ve slaughtered a rather large number of people in cold blood just because they wouldn’t pay your extortion and let your little pedo-crush sing roles that she’s roughly a decade too young and vocally immature to play?
He never raped
JUST REMEMBER
THIS IS SPARTA
haha i could not reisist
and
He still managed to be a pycotic weirdo and look way hotter in cape than anyone you’ll ever meet
when they first actually SHOWED him like in the light, i imeditaley said out loud “DAYAMM!” hes a f*ckin SEXY BEAST in the movie!!! i wish I was Christine, and get to hang aorund him a lot
<3 Phantom of the Opera!!! (and Gerard Butler) <3 ^^
but its ok if you like it right?
*gets in line*
You forgot to mention that he can’t sing.
grr, he didnt rape anyone movie book or musical learn to read and analyze
The Phantom didn’t rape anybody lol. He did however take her to his little lair and ravage her with his music
AHH! *faints happily*…
Is the musical any good? I heard that the actress that now plays Christine can’t really hit those high notes as well as the actress in the original version. I wanted someone else’s opinion because I have to choose between Phantom and Wicked
Thank you Jesus! I’ve been agonizing over the whole “rape issue” ever since I saw this about a month ago. Thank you for clearing that up. Now I can drool at him without guilt.
What rape? I’ve read the book, there’s no rape. I’ve seen the movie – no rape. Lived and breathed the musical when I was a teen, yeah, still no rape. And if you’re going to argue about the technical definition of “rape” including “to abscond with that which one does not own,” that’s kinda redundant cause you already mentioned kidnapping.
Oh, and he could do anything he wanted to me, pretty much whenever and wherever he wants. In the words of Wayne Campbell and Garth Algar… Scha-WING!!!
there’s no raping!!! this is stupid joke!!
TAKE ME NOW!!!! I don’t care what any body says I loved the music and the movie. Sexy and entertaining. perfection! One of my fav musical movies ever! Right there next to Chicago and moulan rouge.
AND YET! I SILL WANT TO JUMP HIS BONES!
THIS!!! IS!!! OPERAAAA!!!!!!
love gerard butler!
There is no rap in the story. FYI.
In the original book Christine lives with the Phantom for two weeks but is still a virgin, it’s very specific about that.
Gerard Butler is gorgeous in the part, but – he’s not supposed to be! He’s supposed to be hideous!
I don’t think she would have resisted GB for 2 minutes, let alone 2 weeks…
his is very nice in that part
made me a big fan now
DIE!
oh boy…
i love this film. It was this film that got me into this story in the first place. The broadway show is better and its LOOSELY adapted from the origional novel, which i rreally want to read i just need to find a copy :/
yes but the second story Christine Daaé has a child and its not Raouls so I think the phantom does rape her
SCREW YOU I READ MY PHANTOM: THE MEMOIRS OF CHRISTINE DAAE AND NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ERIK RPES HER!!!! F YOU YOU MOTHA F-ER
gerard butler does not rpe anybody and u cant say tht until u see the movie i loved it i love gerard butler he hawt
I agree with misty n yes i am the 1 that sed motha f-er. so yea he didnt rap ne1 and he is HAWT!!!!
I don’t even care. The phantom is way too sexy, I can look past all that. GO PHANTOM!!! I LOVE YA GERARD!!!! Mwah!
Reverse Faust? Redeemed at the end by the love of a woman? Only this Faust is psychotic.
I like Raoul better in the book because he’s in the navy and is the vicomte’s little brother rather than being some aristocratic playboy who has nothing better to do than hang around opera houses. And he’s only 18, of course he’s a douche!
Well, in the introduction to my copy of the book it says that Leroux was influenced by Faust… and had the opera of Faust occurring at several points in the novel. (Note that all I’ve read is the introduction and most of the prologue… it’s hard to read when you leave the book in your room while you’re at school….) So yes, I think it’s supposed to be similar to Faust in some ways.
Except, of course, that Leroux claimed it was true, did he not?
I have the perfect response to this but it would start the biggest flame war in the history of internet kind… *sigh*
Well… now that we’re off the first page…
*ahem*
Yes well, a lot of people still claim the same thing about the Bible and that’s not exactly true is it?
*headdesk* It was awesome when I first thought of it.
Oooohh I really, really, really want to know what you had to say now…
You evil person…
Sorry. I will not be the start of something horrible. Someone else can do that.
Say it pleeze?
*puppy dog eyes*
It’s still awesome.