Not often seen in America, the breed “Positive Role Model”.
(Adam Savage)
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Let’s Not Forget About The Other Positive Role Models Out There…. Oh, Wait… Never Mind.
At first I thought it was Fred Gallagher from MegaTokyo… guess I’m a geek.
You seem to forget Bill Nye the Science Guy. He was all sorts of positive.
UGH! Of Course! Stupid Memory. Well, Of To Go Buy Some Anti Forgetfulness Pi…. Wait, What Were We Talking About?
good…wait, i don´t remember…
I Forgot, What Were We Talking About In The First Place?
something about the awesome dude in the pic, i guess… anyway, i think you should get those pills, cuz i th…. wait, what?
ah, screw it. i forget
yay! i’m not the last person who remembers him
(i’m 18 and none of the people i know (my age) even know who bill nye is)
im 14 and i love bill nye we watched a ton of his videos in my 8th grade science class last year
nerd! i love making nerds hate themselves…. ummm…. NNNNNEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaah geek!
Try capitalizing the first letter of ever sentence. Also you should know that, being a nerd, I love being a nerd!
im 23, and i still watch videos of bill nye. YEAH, I ADMIT IT, AND IM DARN PROUD, TOO!!!!!
“whut?
NO WATTS! ELECTRICAL POWER!”
I’ll put Mike Rowe on a list with Adam Savage as a guy I do not mind my sons looking up to.
Yeah, Mike Rowe is damned funny, and dosen’t mind working hard or getting dirty…two things we could probably all do a bit more of.
I agree. Discovery channel has the coolest guys out there.
I’d be very careful presenting Adam as a positive role model to children. Next thing you know you’ll be cleaning diet coke off the kitchen ceiling if you’re not careful.
I’d rather clean diet coke from the ceiling rather than watch my kid sit on the computer 24/7…
Or dance on poles?
Frequent Flier Win.
I was going to say that… but thought against it. =)
The Germans and Russians did enough of that in the 1930s and 40s.
As a native citizen of Poland I find this comment funny. Shame on you
As a german native I agree at all points…
As an American with a sense of humor I applaud your post there Mchl!
And think it’s funny.:)
I thought that was called impaling… to dance ON a pole.
Adam and Jamie make science look cool. I’d much rather have my kiddos watching them than most of the other ‘role models’ offered up by Hollywood and the media.
Fu(k that. Science IS cool. Very cool. I just attended a dissertation defense this morning. Eye heart science!
NERD ALERT!
Damn right we’re nerds! And proud of it!
nerdfighters for eva!!
(FYI thats nerd positive)
Nerdfighters?
As in DFTBA, So Jokes, and Blenderized Happy Meals?
VLOGBROTHERS FTW!
If you don’t know what I’m talking about, I promise you I’m not insane.
Woot- go Nerdfighters!
Adam Savage has coonfirmed the myth that nerds can kick ass! LMAO in happiness
AMEN!
I resent that; I’m a geek, not a nerd!
Nerd is a look, geek is a lifestyle.
I thought geeks were nerds with no redeming social qualites?
I’ve always thought of it as the other way around. This is confusing, we need new words…
It is that way. Nerd is a look and they are the ones without the social skillz. Geeks are the ones with them. Im a geek. I look like a jock but everybody knows imma geek.
You may want to look up the definition of geek before you lay claim to that.
I’m not a geek, I’m an intellectual bad-a$$!
Well, you could just make THEM clean it off the ceiling!
well, he’s a positive role model as a person… and in the show they always tell you not to try what they’re doing at home…
The guys over at Jackass say the same thing, so should our yunguns look to them as role models as well?
Yes! Ahaha, I think Adam is one of my role models. ^^ Teehee. Anyone else tried the Mentos + Diet coke thing?!
Yes. Last Friday, at work’s parking lot away from the vehicles, with diet non-caffeinated generic coke, and mentos. We attracted a happy crowd.
My preschooler loved it, so we picked up a 15 pack of Mentos from Sam’s this weekend and more generic diet non-caffeinated coke.
Good times for less than 5 bucks! *thumb’s up*
I’ve done that with one of the science classes I was in at one point… We disguised the bottle as a volcano. ^^
yeah whats fun is closing the cap and throwing the bottle on the ground (slightly more dangerous) but a much more spectacular sight as the bottle shoots off into the air
I was drinking one night and put one in a Corona…not as spectacular as coke, and an unfortunate loss of alcohol
Since when does blowing stuff up for a living constitute a positive role model? I just do not get all the Adam and Jamie love. *scratches head*
No one actually gets hurt, and a lifelong love of science and math is instilled… what exactly is there not to like?
“no one actually gets hurt”
HAH!
Adam sustains some kind of injury in pretty much EVERY SINGLE EPISODE.
Like the line from the credits
“Am I missing an eyebrow?”
Or the time he cut his lip when it got sucked into a vacuum cleaner engine.
Or the time he slipped and fell on a treadmill.
Or the time he sliced himself open making a bridge
or the various and sundry other (usually self inflicted) injuries he’s sustained.
So you’re saying that they show that you can get hurt when you don’t follow the safety rules, and they show that nobody gets hurt when they’re followed
OH MY GOD, HE FELL ON A TREADMILL?! He’s poisoning the minds of our youth, he is!
You forgot to mention he fell on that treadmill WHILE DRUNK
don’t forget tory. He:
Cut open his shin while falling off a building
Got punched by adam
Discovered he’s immune to poison ivy (not hurt, but anyway)
Did a faceplant while breaking a bike
punched in the balls by a goat (wait, wut?)
fell out of a boat on shark week
tried to jump onto a bed (while drunk) and bounced off it and onto the ground
got tasered many times
Because no one really ever gets hurt, well atleast its not intentional when it happens, and its never really that bad. They are like the newer version of Bill Nye the science guy. I would have loved to see the out-takes from that show by the way..
Except if your kids tried half the things without being properly educated like they are they would probably get blown up.
…
Hence the phrase “Don’t try this at home, kids!”
“Ever!”
Good thing I don’t have kids then…Whew! Dodged a bullet on that one!
Mythbusters is the reason I got into Chemistry, and my Chemistry teacher was pleased, and now, if I actually pass my GCSEs, I’m taking A-Level chemistry, which I swore to drop!
Way cool man. I bet my Chemistry teacher rocked even more than yours does though. One time, after we’d finished exams, we found some expanded polystyrene balls in the lab, and not only did he let up play cricket in the lab; he joined in!
No way, my chemistry teacher’s cooler! We stuck an unlit bunsen burner in a container full of soapy water, turned on the gas and then held the resulting bubbles in our hands and lit them on fire! (It was the teacher’s idea, too)
And we mixed condy’s crystals with glycerol (bursts into purple flames after a couple of minutes), detonated hydrogen and oxygen balloons every few months and occasionally threw alkali metals in buckets of water, just to name a few.
Good times…
Lol, this comment made me think of MacGuyver…
There are plenty of positive role models when you dont let your kids watch crap MTV, ABC, NBC and other made up garbage. Try Science, Discovery, History… Ya know, REAL reality tv.
No, I’m sorry but I’ve tried some documentaries from those, and they’re all highly biased and uninformative. They just show lotsa fancy effects and present some armageddon prophecies. BBC is the only network that makes proper documentaries (and I’m not British, so that’s not why I’m saying it).
They are still better than the other junk tho’.
Yeah, except Science, History, Discovery, etc., are starting to dip into the kind of reality TV that other networks indulge in. Stuff like Ice Road Truckers and The Deadliest Catch would be interesting and educational as one-time miniseries….but as ongoing, multi-season series, they’ve quickly devolved into the same kind of constructed drama fest as Survivor or Big Brother.
Ice Road Truckers is just an awful show, in my opinion.
I reject your opinion and substitute my own. I feel both MB and IRT are high caliber shows. Now, Colony and Alaske Experiment are another story, those I would accept your negative opinion for!
Answering points from all posts in this strand.
I’m not wild on Discovery’s “history” programs, because a lot of them turn into [American subject of program] snobbery.
Likewise the “serious science”, which has a nasty habit of turning into AGW polemics. If you want to do real science on AGW, explain why the “hockey stick” is missing the Medievil warm, the “Little Ice Age”, and kicks upwards when you move from derived temperature from plant records to thermometry.
Afraid we may be stuck with “Deadliest Catch” (I agree that’s dire, but for production reasons, since I love the BBC’s Trawlermen, which concentrates on the North Sea trawler fleet), but Ice Road Truckers may not be long for this World, since the contracts the drivers now have to sign before setting out for the Ice Roads include a binding statement that they are not contracted to a Tv company, and carrying movie lit in the cabs is now banned.
OTOH they still produce good technology programmes, the “megastructures”, “superships”, “how it’s made” and the like stuff.
Possitive = explosions.
Safe ones, though. And with a last name that discribes a feral animal, he’s 20x more awesome automatically.
Yes, of course, because a guy wearing weird glasses, a creepy flesh-colored beard (tm Joel McHale), and a shirt bearing the message “make stuff up” is *EXACTLY* who I want my kids to emulate! >.<
u can try pole strippers.. it’s the next door over
lol
Hey, I look up to pole dancers, but that’s only because I usually sit close to the stage.
I reject your reality, and substitute my own.
First of all, the fact that the beard is flesh-colored is something he cannot control. Secondly, that is not flesh-colored, unless you are Lindsay Lohan. Third, I don’t see how his shirt is making you think he is not a positive role model. And, lastly, thou shalt not utter the phrase “Creepy, flesh-colored beard” unless it is on a caption that involves a douchebag of unmeasurable proportions.
Or Spencer Pratt.
Same thing!!!
Hey, getting to blow stuff up for a living is every mans dream. So ya, be like him and you’ll get to live your dream.
Is this picture from his speech at DefCon?
Looks like it. And I was too drunk to go.
I’ve done coke and mentos in my mouth! top that!
But seriously, I consider Adam’s career my motivation to get a degree in pyrotechnics.
i swallowed them whole and drank a mini diet coke. i was like a fountain, you gotta be quick though.
They actually tested that one on Mythbusters Jess, nothing happened.
Hey, for those who complain that they don’t want their kids “blowing stuff up” – it’s not as though Mythbusters is entirely about “blowing stuff up”, nor is it about the idiotic behaviour that one sees on “Jackass”. Sometimes there are questions that simply need answers, rumours that need debunked, and cans of shaving cream that need to be frozen and expanded. Jamie and Adam do things in a relatively controlled environment and they do it with caution about the safety of themselves and their crew.
That said, I was sick for a week or so a few years ago, and in my fevered state I couldn’t remember how to work the remote control for my television, so I ended up lying on my living room floor watching a Mythbusters marathon that happened to be on that week. Four days of nothing but Mythbusters (I had satellite TV, no commercials). So now I have a visceral and negative reaction to Mythbusters, and the sight of a blond guy with glasses and facial hair makes me want to run and hide ^^;;
Adam is a terrible role model. Have you seen him use the tools is Jamies shop? In diet coke with mentos he put a 2 litre bottle of diet coke in a lathe, and tunned it on to see what would happen. That is not his machine and he disrespected it and left the mess for a stage hand to clean up. He dribbled a bowling ball on concrete, damaging the ball AND the floor. He then used a drill press on the ball and cut the web of his thumb and index finger because rather than putting the ball in a vise he turned on the machine and forced the ball up, completely ignoring the concept of “press”. I would not allow this man in a highschool shop class, and I doubt the teacher would either.
Okay, so because of the fact that Adam likes to break things and used something of Jamie’s without asking, I think I’ll go aspire to dance on poles like Miley, now.
I’m still giggling about “disrespecting” the lathe. Adam dissed the lathe!
Obviously you have never used a piece of machinery such as a lathe. There is a massive amount of respect involved with something capable of ripping your arm off.
It’s a piece of machinery for christ’s sake. It’s not like if you disrespect it it’ll get pissed off and cut your hand off.
Sure. You say that now. But just wait until they take over the world, like in iRobot.
Quick safety lesson about machinery. Click the link.
I haven’t seen the episode in question, but I appreciate that they showed that misuse of power tools actually can lead to injury. Seeing that even role models get injured is way more effective than repeating “don’t try this at home” again and again.
It is also good that the injury doesn’t sound very serious.
A similar thing happened when I worked for a deli a few years back. I didn’t fully respect the equipment used and the warnings given until the day I nearly cut my damn pinkie off with one of the slicers. I, fortunately, didn’t suffer any serious injury, but you can sure bet that I respected the hell out of that machine from there on out.
You say that now… my high-school design and technology teacher was telling off a kid for not using the bandsaw safely, and while demonstrating to them how to use it properly half-severed his finger. He’s never going to live that one down.
“The World is a Vampire”
Adam is one my list of Nerd Crushes
Amen. I love how child-like and excited he gets when he explains what the theory behind what’s about to happen. And when he gets just plain giddy when things go (and even don’t go) the way they’re supposed to. I love a man who loves learning.
I’m with you–his enthusiasm is contagious, and he’s definitely someone I look up to. I reject your role model, and substitute my own!
Totally- I already grew up in a science-happy household because my dad’s an engineer of thirty-sum years, but between Junkyard Wars and Mythbusters (and the various legos and erector sets around the house), there is no doubt in my mind what field I’m going in to XD
Ya, but he totally get’s the theory wrong. Every time. Real engineers and real scientists cannot watch this technically incorrect crap without smashing tv’s.
Uh, my DAD is a REAL Engineer, and he spends every wensday looking forward to this show. It’s just good, wholesome, fun. Unless, of course, you’d rather your daughters pole-danced like dear old Miley…
As a grad student in research [Bioinformatics] with a father that’s an Electrical Engineer, we both love to watch the show. Why? Maybe it’s because we enjoy watching them do what most modern TV shows can’t….
They bring basic science concepts to the larger masses and bring thoughtful discussions to families that may not know complex theory. Just because they may not get into the background theory behind Homeobox sequences, quazars, or morphological homoplasy… and maybe they don’t follow true ‘research science’.
So? Dad and I still have conversations over Mythbusters episodes.
Getting people to think. I think that’s role model material right there.
A guy who ‘splodes stuff up, and makes his living from it. PERFECT role model! (not being sarcastic)
Adam’s awesome lol
good smile.
Of all the things you could say about mythbusters, THATS what you said?
I mean, they tell you at the beginning of every episode “Don’t try this at home.”
Now, if it inspires you to become an expert so you CAN try that stuff at home, so much the better.
But I don’t really want an 8 year old emulating everything Adam does…
I don’t get the love for Bill Nye. When he worked at Boeing, he would always have his colleagues do his work, and then take credit for it.
The super rip-off work model of science?
Hahaha! That makes the episode of SGA he was in even funnier to me!
And the love for Bill Nye comes from the fact that a lot of who like science were first turned on to it by Nye. Personally, I was always a Beakman’s World girl myself, but Nye was pretty cool.
Ooh! And Mr. Wizard – loved him, too. I remembered him just as I hit ‘reply’. To this day I remember (and share) the fact that you can’t fold any piece of paper in half more than eight times, no matter how thin it is. Just one of the hundred or so things I learned from him.
Actually they busted that myth on Mythbusters… LOL They were able to fold a (rather large) piece of paper 11 times.
With a steam roller for added overkill.
too bad I can never again say that anything sinks like a lead balloon, though…
You guys are cute. And missing the point. Yeah, they blow stuff up. The show’s not about that.
Adam and Jayme teach kids what our science classrooms seem to fail to (and even if they do, they do it without instilling a passion for it): the beauty of the scientific process. How many times has their hypothesis been wrong, and they’ve gotten excited about it? The show shows every step of the discovery process, from creating controls to controlling outside influences to the importance of every little detail. They have a contagious passion for learning, *especially* when things don’t go according to plan-that’s how we learn and how science advances.
Even if you’re going to focus on the explosions, have you seen a single one where safety measures weren’t taken? How is this bad for children to learn? They don’t teach children how to blow stuff up, but they do show safe distances, safety gear, and blast shields. Explosions just make the science more fun and enjoyable to watch on TV.
I want my children looking up to the mythbusters crew. They all appear highly educated, and think thoroughly and consider all factors before acting. I couldn’t even complete half the math or physics they do, but they make me aspire to. I want them to make my children crave higher education, even if it is to learn how to blow stuff up. I have money riding on my kid making a better living blowing stuff up then they would doing most things non-science based. I feel role models like Adam Savage could help increase the amount of scientists and high thinkers in this world. It just makes me sad that there’s so few Adam Savages and so many Paris Hiltons.
In a similar vein, Adam Savage’s motto of “Failure is always an option” is, in a weird way, inspirational. Thomas Alva Edison often said, “I haven’t failed, I’ve just found ways that haven’t worked.” He also said failure only happens because people give up, and often they were so close to the solution when they did.
So maybe “Mythbusters” isn’t “real science”, but the crew does use their brains on a regular basis, and they take safety precautions. So if that’s not a reason to like ‘em, y’all, like ‘em for the fact they don’t give up easily. ^n_n^
Thomas Alva Edison… you had to go spoil it.
monsterous git (edison not you
). the total antithesis of Mythbusters.
Mythbusters is all about the workings, edison was all about the credit, and the cash and no matter who he had to trample to get it.
edison BUSTED
Seconded!
trample… or ELECTROCUTE. In the “War of Currents”, he and Nikola Tesla were duking it out with a PR campaign of Edison’s direct current vs. Tesla’s alternating current. In a hideous example of cruelty, Edison tried to show AC was dangerous — by electrocuting a freaking elephant on video. Except he lied, and had to use DC to do it. Either way, the elephant got cooked.
He was a right bastage. Definitely the anthithesis of MB.
Adam’s good. Jamie’s better. He’s not as flamboyant or wild, but he really, really knows his stuff and the calm demeanor is much more compelling. He’s the sort I really would expect to hear say “Now pay attention Double-O Seven.” or maybe “My poor wee engines! I’m giving her all she’s got Cap’n.”
Also? Beret and Moustache FTW.
The whole point of a positive role model is someone that you DON’T hear about constantly being arrested for drugs, DUI, assault, etc. like you hear so often with many of the current celebrities and sports stars. Adam (and Jamie) are presenting science in a fun, interesting way, teaching their audience about some basic principles, not to mention also trying to spread common sense in the form of busting some really dumb myths that get started. People will recount these stories as true, and to have Mythbusters walk through it in a very scientific manner, yet toned down enough for the average layperson to follow is a great way to show the world how to think things out in a sensible, intelligent way.
I think the show is fantastic, and hope we have many more years of it to come!
I have to agree with Kim. Adam and Jaime have a love for science that not only inspires kids to WANT to learn about science, but also provide educational concepts in an entertaining way. Read: “Rocket Sled Collision” for my case in point.
Thank you all for having a good discussion instead of trying to be really funny.
Not to mention his equally fabulous sidekick on MythBusters: Jaime!
anybody remember Beakman’s World? although I love the mythbusters, blowing stuff up just for the joy of it isn’t exactly positive role modeling (I’m referring to the scenes after they’ve busted/confirmed their myths for the day). Beakman is totally safe science without the use of C4 or anything of the like.
Very few people use C4 unsafely twice.
Ya, and Beakman taught real science and got it right.
When you consider they’re always telling people to be extra careful, are careful never to hurt animals, refuse to give out any “recipies” that might be used by viewers, yeah, I think Adam’s an awesome Role Model. Better than any of the wrestlers of today. P.S. Geeks are hot!
Even though there ‘positive role models’ that other guy he always does the show with is a epic douche..
Also.. the show blows, as there method of testing things is absolutely retarded and I love how there like.. WELL THAT SOLVES THAT.. when they didn’t even come close to testing different methods.
And how many science degrees do you have? I have two, and completely disagree with you.
Well, for one thing there’s the bit where what you see on Mythbusters is the 40..45 minutes that make good television, not the hours of math, experimental design and engineering design etc that lead them to decide to build a trebuchet out of steel I-beams to test this myth, yes?
Was that comment for or against mythbusters, pwas4thot? and while I agree that the really hard work isn’t shown, the bare truth is that the average viewer simply isn’t interested in watching people do math and that the mythbusters have a limited amount of time in which to show the world that something is or isn’t true. I think they put some of the unused material online though.
Pseudoscience: who needs education when there’s ratings?
Mythbusters is what I’d want my kids to watch. (Disclaimer: no kids).
Science means testing a hypothesis, not blindly accepting a statement on faith or blindly dismissing it as a skeptic. You do the work and test it, logically.
And you have fun doing it!
It’s just as fun to prove that something improbable could have happened as to show that it likely didn’t.
We want a world of kids who can think logically, who don’t just accept received wisdom or the headlines of the National Enquirer.
So, yes, sometimes the Mythbusters blow things up or crash them in the name of seeing what is possible. That’s good teevee. And it gets us all thinking of better ways it could have been done. That’s just plain good.
ok so he is really really awesome but he isnt really a positive role model he blows stuff up sets things on fire and generally destroys stuff im guessing parents dont want their kids to be doing that in the house
Adam is one of the best role-models a kid can have. I know that for a fact. I was…like…thirteen, when Mythbusters started. Twenty now. I’ve always been a bookworm, loved learning, etc. But I developed a healthy adoration of science…and a large part of it was Adam’s fault. He’s so…excited, about it. When he talks about it, he just lights up, and he so obviously enjoys it, how can you not think you’d have fun trying it too? I don’t see how he can be a bad role-model. At all. I just can’t see it. Yeah, if you’re kid is an idiot or unstable or something, fine. Don’t let them watch the show. But I was (who am I kidding, I’m not the brightest now even) pretty stupid when I was younger, and I never once tried to blow anything up because Adam and Jamie made it look so fun.
On the contrary, I studied in science class, I asked my teachers questions and I can beat my (insanely smart, it’s awesome to have a challenge) family at trivia when I put my mind to it. My teachers were always impressed when I rambled about something that I knew that seemed obscure — except, Mythbusters did it, and hey, if they’re not always right, at least they’re honest about it and try and go back and do it right the second time around. I might not get a career in science, I might not end up a chemist, but they…it’s weird, but I want to be like that. I want to teach kids and watch their faces light up when you show them something cool, and…you know, they’re one of the driving forces. Because when you make science cool, when you make history and LEARNING fun, like they do, then you change kids’ lives. You have the chance to set them up for the future, to make a difference, to help kids who might not otherwise enjoy it LIKE to learn. That’s not something that happens often, you know.
But then again, you can always let your kids watch MTV or the Jonas Brothers or whatever cracked out mess-up is on the Disney Channel these days.
Me, I’ll take Adam.
…and not to negate my entire comment, but I’m not an idiot and I WON’T try anything that’s too dangerous at home, but the blowing things up part REALLY doesn’t hurt. Recently, I watched the rocket sled episode. I spent the whole episode bouncing in anticipation, learned a few new things that I actually hadn’t known before. And then I watched with what I realized was an exact mirror of Adam’s AWED expression when the rocket sled took off. It was…you know, the technical aspects are fun. Add this and this and you get this. Apply this much force to something and it breaks. Don’t do this because you’ll die. But when you grind the message into your brain with something as exciting as an explosion or a ROCKET SLED, it only helps you to remember. It’s not something that you easily forget, then.
I dunno. I’ve had a good few positive role-models in my life. But there were very few who came from the TV. And Adam was, indeed, one of them. Better than some little spoiled brat who wouldn’t know what science was if it danced naked in front of her singing “It’s a small world after all”.
I’m glad that the internet is in general agreement with me, though.
Does anyone know now to contact the Mythbusters? Adam needs to see the above post if he hasn’t already.
Because it made me smile like hell and I’m not him.
Imagine what it’d do for his day..
Hello, GOATSE is a rolemodel?
What? I thought that was faked! Please tell me that my favorite nerd-crush didn’t stretch his anus to the camera.
“Mommy, what’s ‘thermite’?”
Give this man more stuff to blow up and shoot responsibly! FOR SCIENCE!!!!
Also, crazy experiments not involving explosives or guns are acceptable.
NERDS HAHAHAHAHA LUVh NonE Of YaLL nerds! heeheehee~!~
We don’t need your love because eventually we will have enough money to be successful and marry someone with class. Good luck trying to figure out what I just typed since you obviously don’t know how to spell.
The caption needs one more word… male.
So often today the husband or male lead in a show is portrayed as a bumbling idiot. Its the chicification of the entertainment world. Go back and watch shows from the 50′s – 80′s … most if not all of them had a positive and masculine intelligent male lead. Now you got pudgy, retarded, bumbling, “funny guy” types. Like peter griffin (animated but still a male lead), Doug from king of queens (also who didnt expect richard simmons to star in this one?), ray romano from everybody loves raymond, etc., etc.
There are so few positive male role models for young men these days that one has to wonder why more of them dont grow up to be either emo or homo.