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What a pity more girls today can’t be like Hermione rather than Bella.
I think it’s funny, because we all know someone like Hermione and someone like Bella in real life
The weird thing is, everyone I know compares me to Hermione when Harry Potter comes up.
I’m a guy.
At least no one compares me to anyone from Twilight.
This is one of the many reasons that Harry Potter is, and forever will be, better than Twilight.
I’m not a Harry Potter fan, and even I have to agree with you.
Haha, this is epically true!
Yes, but can we stop feeding these fads?
I’ve realized that Twilight haters care more about the damn things than the actual fans. If you dislike it, just ignore it. It will go away. Don’t whine on and on about how dreadful it is. It’s trashy teen romance. It will fade if people will just let it.
But making fun of Twilight is fun!
I concur.
If there weren’t legions of moms in line to snap up the books and movies before they were released, I would agree with you.
But isn’t just waiting for something to go away by ignoring it pathetic and whiny? I prefer to take action and support the people who do whether they be fans or not (for the record I am 100% not)
Actually, after watching the movies w my 11 year old sis, that was the only part about Twilight I COULD relate to… And Hermione’s situation was different from Bella’s. Ive been in both. And I did the same thing as Bella. I shut down. I dont even remember the entire year that followed. It felt like i had a giant hole in my chest. And the nightmares… *shudders* I feel sorry for the haters, because they’ve obviously never known the love that Bella and I felt. But I envy them for never having that person ripped away.
I have. I’ve known that kind of love. It was one-sided but trust me when I say that it was 100% real.
But you know what? I still went on with my life. I moved to a new town where my closest relative was two hours away, I started school, and got the ball rolling on a career.
It’s been over three years since I spoke to the guy or even saw him. Every now and then I’ll remember the good times and I’ll get upset, but I’m pretty much over it. I do have nightmares, I know what that’s all about. Mostly, they’re horrible and I’ve watched everyone I’ve ever loved or care about get murdered right before my eyes.
You’re right in that it’s enviable that the so-called “haters” haven’t had someone ripped away from them. But honestly, how different was Hermione’s situation? She watched the guy she loved walk away and she wasn’t sure if she would ever see him again. He could have died and she’d never have known. But she went on because it was the right thing to do, and that is why I sympathize more with her than I ever could with Bella.
*cared. Derp.
D’awww. Now you’re trespassing into applying book morals into real life! No one does that!
But really, kudos to you for having the courage to post that onto the internet. Perhaps it’s silly, but Harry Potter is teeming with characters that people all over the world understand and sympathize with, and while I, personally, am not a die-hard fan, reading the books and watching the movies is a well-needed departure into a place where morals and courage mean something and people have real, often devastating conflicts with each other. Though I thankfully have not yet gone through the same sort of heartbreak you have, Harry Potter is a series that pushes overcoming your hardships and becoming stronger from them. It’s complex, biting, and funny. It’s not written in the style of a master, but it doesn’t have to be because it has a natural flow. tl;dr, Harry Potter rocks.
And then, we present the insipid, obsessive, “romantic” stalker dynamic of Twilight. :/
The idea of adolescents idealizing a relationship where their significant other is completely in control of them, SNEAKS INTO THEIR ROOM, and whose absence propels them to fling themselves off of a cliff is frankly terrifying. I mean, really?
THIS!!
Thank you. You have written what I’ve been wanting to write for AGES, and summed it up quite well. So thanks.
I concur with this
I applaud this comment with much vigor.
You gain all the Internets that exist. (and that’s over 9000)
I have to disagree. I just had the love of my life for the past 6 years leave, and, while I did shut down at first, I’m surviving. I’m doing what I’ve always done, because life does that sometimes. I know and have faith I can and will rise above it, and I know that wallowing in self pity will not help. So, I have to identify with Hermione. But I guess it’s all about character (no pun intended).
The kind of love in which one falls in love with a stalker? That kind of love? Where one falls in love with someone whose very personality makes them the last sort of person you should be in any sort of relationship with? Loving someone who’s controlling and emotionally abusive? Is that the kind of love you felt? If so, I feel sorry for you, because I have been in a relationship with someone who turned out to be emotionally abusive, and it’s hellish, and when you believe you’re in love with them you deal with it, until it can’t be dealt with any more.
Then again, if your reaction to the other person leaving was to curl up and sink into yourself, I don’t feel sorry for you at all. When that relationship ended, it took me a few months to get over what I had been through, but I went on living my life, because that’s what people who aren’t pitiful do. I continued to do my job, interact with people, and generally not let it control the rest of my life. If you couldn’t do the same, you were weak. Don’t try to justify your weakness by claiming that the rest of us are haters, some of us have been through that and came out stronger.
The Twilight Saga stands as one of the best examples of a terrible relationship, and it disgusts me that people idealize it. If anything, Twilight serves one positive purpose: it makes it much clearer who to avoid being with in a relationship; simply avoid those who think they identify with Bella or Edward.
I was in a relationship with someone like too, and I ran like heck and made a life for myself abroad. It took me a while to realise the hold he had on me, though.
DRAMAQUEEN!
its same situation
Bella gets hate because she perpetuates the stereotype that a woman needs a man to survive. She had no business shutting down after Edward left. She needed to continue living, and not just for Edward, but for Charlie too. Sure she loved him, but love’s not something that happens by chance. She could decide to love someone else….and she does, mind you. I understand she loved very passionatley, but, if at the young age of 17, he was her only reason for living then she’s led a pretty sad life.
Bella and Hermione’s circumstances may have been different, but Hermione could just as easily have shut down. She could have left Harry, left the mission. She was upset, but she stayed strong through it all. The fact that Hermione didn’t go to pieces and kept her focus on the big picture is what seperates her from Bella. It’s what makes her BETTER than Bella.
You have been in both of these situations? When did you go on a manhunt for the most dangerous wizard ever?
OK, I know I shouldn’t encourage this, but that was funny.
LMFAO
A.W.4life- you’re a wuss. So is Bella.
Actually, i’m a 20 year old Army Wife. None of you know what strong is. All I was saying is that I could identify with her. But you have to cut me down and make me feel like an idiot? What’s the point in that?
Welcome to the internet, shouldn’t you be making sandwiches?
Harsh, but true
How is that true, male chauvinist pig? Please, do share.
If you’re an Army Wife, suck it up! You SHOULD be strong. Take the example of your husband, who IS strong. Now this is the Internet, full of trolls and stupid people, and you are dangerously close to adding to their ranks. I recommend turning around, reading up on memes, and taking a chill pill.
And only 20? Why are you acting so experienced? You’ve clearly missed the fact that ‘Trolololo’ is a specific phrase for Internet trolls and the like, and then you went and fed them. tsk tsk.
people leave. move on and shut up
I applaud all Military family members. That is a fear and a pain that no one can fully understand until they’re in that position.
But you shouldn’t go around saying that people have “obviously never known the love” that you and this character have just because we didn’t completely shut down for months after the break.
Some of us spend our mourning period putting on a brave face, going about our lives, and hiding the fact that we’re broken beyond repair because we don’t want to completely lose everything we’ve worked for before hand. That’s why we go to the movies with our friends when all we want to do is stay at home and cry. Why we smile and repost silly LOLpictures when all we want to do is break down.
It sucks for everyone, but we all react in different ways. You can’t say that just because we didn’t react as you did, that we didn’t really know Love. That’s the only part of your argument I take issue with.
“Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.” – The Dread Pirate Roberts (The Princess Bride)
None of us know what strong is? How would you know? Do you know everyone on the internet? Have I ever met you before?
Shutting down like Bella did is a sign of major depression and needs therapy and or medication, not justification. Do I understand it to a degree? Yeah, sure. I’ve been depressed. I had two years where I thought of every different method known to man on how to kill myself. I also passed nursing school while I was doing it, and took care of my dad. I spent two years taking care of my dad every day, primary care, and then lost him in a period of three weeks. I can tell you I loved him more than anyone else on the planet. Didn’t drop into a ball and die.
THAT is strong. Going through what you’re going through, and living while you’re doing it. Was it easy? Hell no. Did I want to just curl up into a ball and die? Oh hell yes, if I’d had a gun, I might have shot myself, but I did what had to be done because it had to be done. I lived my life through depression, because the universe did not stop around me.
Oh, yeah, the fact that you’re an Army Wife? Good for you, love your husband, praise him for his courage to serve his country. Don’t, however, think you’re better than us because your HUSBAND fights for the country. You might actually be better than some or most of us, but if you are, it’s not because you’re an Army Wife. Army wife does not make you better. I was a military brat and my fiance was in the military, I’ve been where you are.
So, sum up: Bella needs therapy. Understanding her position is okay, justifying it is not. You shouldn’t judge people you don’t know, because you don’t know them.
If the masses need a grossly oversimplified fiction story to understand an issue, I’d recommend Miss Saigon. Fairly accurate depiction of the love/loss theme.
Oh screw you. I’m a 27 year old Army wife with a kid. Stop giving the rest of us bad names. I had sympathy for you until you wanted to play the, boo hoo, I’m an Army wife, therefore my pain is more real than yours game.
Agreed! Bella has all the depth of a puddle of chihuahua piss. How can anyone with a backbone or any kind of respect for themselves identify with such a vacuous, spineless waste of space. She’s not strong, nor independent and falls to pieces when her romanticized stalker takes off. Seriously, what’s to idolize about such a weak human being?
Weeel… i don´t know, been through some pretty hard stuff without a blink, but i think if you read the books Bella´s not weak. I just dont see why nobody is telling about the things she does after she comes over the worst part. She actually does stuff, learns stuff. It´s not like she really try´s to kill herself, she just want to try what happens if she dives over the cliff like. And what about motorbike lessons and s**t like that? I dont think she´s that weak….
She runs towards potential rapists, learns to ride a motorcycle, and jumps off a cliff to try to “see” Edward. Hallucinations + over-dramatic breakdown = mental instability.
I really don’t think Bella is that great of a character, especially after that scene. If she was really strong, she wouldn’t sit there and pout about her lost love. She should have lived her life like Edward wanted her to, and be strong for him, because I agree when he told her he’s no good for her.
I’ll give her an ounce of credit because she did start getting better (after how many months?), but relapsed into crappy after she started “seeing” Edward.
They’re both still girls though, so -1 to them.
What?
My guess is that lolwut is 11. At that age, all girls are stupid (according to my son).
I like when people self-identify as Twilight fans; it tells me I can avoid taking them seriously on the topic of relationships.
oi, I like twilight. it’s massively entertaining, totally brainless entertainment. it’s also a travesty of “literature” and a terrible example of a scary and frightening codependent relationship. i still like it. doesn’t make me a creepy codependent or unintelligent.
Man, Emma is so hawt
Hermione would probably see Ron again, in which Bella thought that he would never see Edward again. Not a good comparisant!
And besides, she didn’t need to be heroic. Voldemort isn’t in Twilight.
DUH!
The same argument could be applied, but vise-versa. Bella would probably see Edward again, otherwise Stephanie Meyer couldn’t make a bazillion more dollars on a series that had already outlived its stay in the literary world.
Granted, Voldemort isn’t in Twilight. Congratulations, you are correct. However, I think it’s a little bit of an overreaction to shut down on someone’s leaving you, even if he is your “soul-mate”. So yes, there was no Voldemort, no threat to her, but really. She could have TRIED to pick herself back up and try to live. “Oh no, my boyfriend is gone. I’ll just go die, even though I have at least five other guys who won’t feel the undeniable urge to drink my blood. Yeah, that’s a great idea! Ooh, you know what else? Jumping off a cliff seems really fun, too. Especially with that water churning below me… Yeah!”
And yes. Before you ask and insult me, I have read the books, so that I could pass a fair judgment on them.
Oh, and by the way…
*comparison
you do realize that Ron and Hermione were in the middle of a war, and were two of the bigger targets due to their connection with Harry, Dumbledore, The Order of the Phoenix, etc? That Ron NEARLY died right after he left? That Hermione almost died in Godric’s Hallow?
So, no, Hermione might not have seen Ron again. And she was being hunted, and trying to fight a war. And she’d known Ron for over six years.
Bella was going through high school, had multiple guys in love with her and got dumped by a guy she had known for less than a year, and dated for maybe six months.
So who had a bigger reason to curl up and give up on life? Hermione. Who didn’t? Hermione.
I have read both series and seen all the movies, so dont tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about.
*applauds*
Can I point out that in Harry Potter they are fighting a war? No promises can be made of seeing someone again. Ron could have died the moment he disappeared and Hermione would have been none the wiser. You have obviously never read the series or paid attention in history class because if you had you wouldn’t have made such an ignorant statement. Also, Voldemort was not Hermione’s responsibility. She didn’t HAVE to provide assistance to Harry. Really it was Harry’s solo journey; it didn’t involve Hermione at all. But she chose to stay. She chose to fight. She kept her focus on the bigger picture of things. She understood that there are more important things than her personal sorrow.
And maybe Voldemort isn’t in Twilight. So that makes it ok for Bella to go to pieces? She’s 17 years old. If he was really her only reason for living than she’s led a pretty pathetic life. Edward didn’t WANT Bella to shut down. He wanted to give her a chance at a normal, happy life. She needed to LIVE for him, not wallow in self-pity.
Just because you hate Twilight doesnt mean you have to hate the fans. Get a life, Trolls.
I think the issue is that the fans are what make people hate Twilight. I read the books before the first movie was announced and liked the first one well enough, I even slightly identified with Bella’s reaction to Ed leaving (I WANTED to curl up and die) but after the Twi-hards came out of the wood work, I gave away my books and now want to puke every time people talk about it. The fans have truly made it more annoying than the books and movies ever could have.
Oh no, I hate Twilight because I wasted time trying to read it (gave up). I mean, I could have done something useful and watched paint dry instead!
Some of my best friends are Twilight fans, so I don’t hate the fans, nope.
Mind you, “hate” is a bit of a strong word, here …
Thank you, that’s what I was trying to say!!! Yes, I curled up for about a day, but I moved on with my life… I WAS 17 at the time. And he was my first love. I read the books before the craze. And i’m not a Twi-nerd or anything like that. It irritates me and I was FORCED to sit through the movies. I just know what that pain feels like. And people may disagree with me, but they could at least be civil human beings.
….ok we got it, your “first love” left u. WE GOT IT! dont use it as a argument all the time
It’s fans like you that make us hate Twilight (though the terrible writing and flat characters add to it). If thinking you’re a weak little shite for justifying reacting like Bella makes me a troll, then TROLOLOLOLOLO.
lol there’s your problem right there. you’re trying to argue with trolls.
Even though Hermione did carry on searching for Voldemorts Horcruxes, she did spend most of the time crying. In the book she didn’t have Harry’s stupid dancing to cheer her up.
But she did carry on, which is what makes her actions worthier of emulation.
Ummm, Bella did carry on, too. She continued working and studied hard for school. She just didn’t have any significant interactions with people until Jacob came along. She was in a haze while going about her regular life, but she went about her regular life. She only spent a day curled up in a fetal position. If she had been fighting in a war like Hermione she would have snapped out of the haze a lot sooner. And since when is battling powerful magical creatures less dangerous than jumping off a cliff into deep water?
Idiot. Bella jumped cuz she loved this Ed of hers so much and had a mental problem, while Hermione was saving the world.
THINK.
I didn’t ask why either of them did what they did. I asked which action is more suicidal. Learn to read. Bella only went cliff-diving after she saw other people do it and come out just fine.
Maybe chasing people that could kill you is more suicidal, but wasn’t that what Bella had been doing all along?
Hermione maybe have been trying to help bring down a dark and powerful wizard, but she was doing that LONG before Ron left. Bella did jump off a cliff because she saw other people do it, but she only did it so she could hear Edward in her head again… Because she’s a freaking nut case.
Bella never chased people that were after her when Edward left (she only deliberately put herself in real danger when she thought her mother was in danger). She spent time with creatures that were dangerous, but she didn’t really process that danger. To her they were all just people who happen to be very strong.
And people keep calling Bella crazy, I’m not arguing that she isn’t a little off. But don’t forget that Hermione attacked Ron with birds when she saw him kissing another girl before they were even together. Bella’s not perfect, but neither is Hermione.
If I remember correctly, immediately after Edward’s departure, the book went blank for several pages, displaying only the name of a month on them, signifying that Bella shut down for those months. That is hardly carrying on. Yes, she may have gone through the motions of the day, but that’s it. That’s not carrying on. Carrying on is making an effort to return life to normal, not wallowing in perpetual sadness.
She did return life to normal. She didn’t really have friends in the beginning. The only reason she talked to people at all was because they wouldn’t leave her alone. Even in her old town she didn’t have friends (not close friends that she kept up with anyway). Not everyone’s a social butterfly. The point is: Hermione went through her life the way it was before Ron except sad, Bella went through her life the way it was before Edward except sad. The difference is Hermione had a more interesting life.
You’re still wrong, Marigold. Bella may not have had close friends, but she still interacted with them. After Edward left she wasn’t communicating or interacting with them in any way. If I remember correctly, when Bella finally starts to come to she realizes that these people she hangs around don’t even both to hide that they are talking about her. They’ve been saying these things to her face and she was so wrapped up in her own pitiful life that she DIDN’T EVEN REALIZE IT. Bella didn’t go back to her normal life. If she had there would have been at least SOMETHING other than numerous pages that contained only names of the months that passed.
Bella went on with her job and she went on with school. She interacted with people as much as she had to. She wasn’t sociable, but she lived her life. When she found someone who was willing to be a true friend she reached out to him. Hermione had Harry after Ron left. He was not only willing to comfort her as she cried, but he was close to Ron, too, so he could understand her pain. No one knows how Hermione would have handled it if both Harry and Ron left and she was left all alone.
BLAAARGH BELLA ZOMBIE SO SAD MUST SHUT OUT WORLD AND DIE WITHIN SELF SLOWLY
And Hermione would have kept hunting the Horcruxes until they were gone. She made that commitment. Hermione would have kept up with events in the real world with the magical radio. Hermione would have made the effort to FIND Harry and Ron if she had no other higher calling.
Bella? disconnected her brain.
Hermione DID NOT go on with life like it had been before Ron. She had barely had life before Ron- she was 11 freaking years old before she met Ron! If anything Hermione had more of a reason to shut down simply because she had known and been in love with Ron for far longer than Bella had even KNOWN Edward.
Hermione fell in love with Ron a few years after they met. Before she went to Hogwart’s and the entire time she knew Ron, both before and after she fell in love with him, she made her life all about wizadry. When Ron left she continued, except with more tears. She may have had more of a reason to shut down but she also had Harry, which doesn’t make her completely independent.
“Since when is battling powerful magic creatures less dangerous than jumping off a cliff into deep water?”
Ok, so both are extremely dangerous. But did Bella jump off a cliff for the good of mankind? Did Hermione battle magical creatures to hear Ron’s voice through her own mental delusions? The answer? NO. Hermione’s self sacrifice through her pain was what made a strong female character who I am proud to identify with. She did not particularly “study hard in school”- she completely gave up on her life. I doubt she would have snapped out if she were in a war- what happened when they were actually in a war? She hid in a meadow and took her precious little boyfriend with her so that instead of fighting, he could comfort her.
She did study hard in school. She was doing well in Calculus despite the fact that she’s bad at Calculus. She only had trouble with school when she missed a few days to go save Edward. And so what if someone decides to do something fun that isn’t for the good of mankind? There’s nothing wrong with skydiving, bungee jumping, cliff diving, hang gliding, white water rafting, swimming with sharks, or anything that’s fun for the sake of fun. Hermione had a task that she agreed to help Harry with, so she completed her task. Bella only had to work and go to school. In between those she added some excitement to her life. She wasn’t particularly smart about it, but she didn’t jump off a cliff onto a pile of jagged rocks either. Bella didn’t join in the war because she was unable to fight in the war. She shouldn’t have let Edward stay with her and avoid fighting, but Hermione shouldn’t have just let Ron run off and avoid fighting. She could have tried harder to convince him to stay.
Frankly, I’m proud to NOT identify with either of these characters because they are characters in a book in completely unrealistic circumstances.
Hm… I didn’t read the books but the impression I got when it was described to me was that Bella was subconsciously trying to kill herself. She was doing all those stupid, dangerous things because “Oh, my boyfriend is gone, woe is me, life is meaningless now!” Doing something, i.e. all the things you listed above, for the adrenaline rush is pretty damn stupid to me. It’s not fun, it’s to prove that you did it. It’s childish and irresponsible.
Hermione didn’t have control over what Ron did. He was an angry teenage boy and there’s not really any reasoning with them. Well, beyond anything that would’ve changed the tone of the book, anyway…
And good for you, you don’t identify with a fictional character. But most people, when they really get into something, there’s a significant reason other than “I really, really like it.” If that was my only reason, I wouldn’t have stuck with Harry Potter all this time (the first book was released when I was eight) and even if I had, I wouldn’t still read the books, I’d just watch the latest installment and that would be it. I identify with numerous fictional characters in books, of varying genres, and there’s nothing wrong with anyone that does.
That’s a very pseudo-psychological interpretation. A more in-depth psychological interpretation would have to take into account the adrenaline-charged nature of the first stages of love.
You’re welcome to your opinion that adrenaline junkies are childish and irresponsible. A lot of people would agree with you. Adrenaline junkies are a small subset of the population. However, none of that stuff is stupid. There is a certain amount of training that is involved before doing dangerous (when you’re doing it the right way – Bella did it stupid) activities that significantly lessens the danger aspect (although it doesn’t remove it completely). Some people golf, some people jump out of airplanes. Both should be done responsibly. And adrenaline junkies have more interesting stories to tell.
Hermione couldn’t control Ron’s actions, but she could have fought with him when he and Harry were fighting. The thing about Ron and Hermione that makes it so different from Bella and Edward is that Ron and Hermione were so afraid. Neither of them wanted to admit they had feelings for the other. They were so afraid that they even dated other people. If she had really argued with Ron the way Harry did, she would have had to face her doubt that their relationship could survive an epic fight. Bella and Edward don’t have a healthy relationship, but Ron and Hermione’s fear and doubt is not something that is enviable either.
There may not be anything wrong with identifying with fictional characters, but a lot of people here are claiming a moral high ground for identifying with one fictional character over another, and that’s really ridiculous.
Alright, fine, I’m not a psychologist. But every person I’ve ever met (my stepfather included) that does stuff like that just… lords it over everyone, like you’re some kind of wimp if you don’t go sky-diving every damn weekend. Some of us like to stay on the ground, where we’re less likely to fall to our deaths, and do more productive things with our time.
Same goes for motorcycle enthusiasts, although I have such a bad image of bikers (we have TWO rallies here every year) I can’t speak on that because I just hate motorcycles altogether. It just screams “midlife crisis” if you’re over a certain age.
I won’t disagree that Hermione could’ve fought Ron a bit more when he and Harry were fighting. That much is true. But I understand not wanting to admit you have feelings for someone that you’ve been friends with for a long time, especially if you’re not sure they’ll return it. You don’t just… out with it, you have to approach things carefully, and they never really had much of a chance to do so. I don’t think it was fear and doubt so much as it was both of them were really, really stubborn and didn’t want to admit to something that could weaken them in an argument. Or something.
…Calculus vs. the possibility of violent death every day.
And Hermione didn’t have her parents any more. Bella had her father at least, Hermione had to wipe her parent’s memories of her to protect them from capture, torture and violent deaths.
Ron apparated while Hermione was running after him. There is no way to be completely certain of where a wizard travels to while apparating unless prior knowledge was obtained.
And Bella did shut down for three ‘chapters’, whereas Hermione cried but went immediately back to work.
Tell me again why we are arguing over two fictional characters? Because honestly, I think Time Lords are better than witches and vampires.
because of how much kids (and adults) identify w/ these fictional characters… won’t be surprised if kids who grew up idealizing abusive relationships and destructive coping strategies will end up IN abusive relationship IRL later on. I mean, what makes these plots popular must have some reason…. simultaneously, people’s values develop from somewhere…
i was in a relationship with some guy who turned out to be rather emotionally abusive… he seemed genuine when he said he loved me, but seemed to enjoy seeing me hurt… I couldn’t understand why. Then he showed me the genre of anime/manga/movies that he liked and it all clicked into place. Not sure if media affected his view of relationship or his view of relationship affected his taste in media. Probably some combo of both. But definitely some relationship there.
So we may be arguing over fictional characters now… but when these characters are THAT popular, it is also a commentary on our culture IRL.
But these people are so passionate about it. I personally side with team Hermione on this one, but arguably, team Bella has some fair points also. The REAL question is, who cares so much that they are writing page-long exposés of their life experiences to defend figments of other people’s imaginations? Two different authors wrote that two different characters got dumped and that they chose two different courses of action. Now that we understand the fabricated lives of seventeen-year-old girls, can we just carry on with our own? And by the way, A.W.4Life, I respect your opinion, I like that you’re proud of being an army wife, and yes, trolls cross lines. You are still not the only strong person who chooses to voice their opinions on the internet. If you call someone out for unfounded insults, you shouldn’t throw them around yourself.
The only reason I’ve stuck with this debate is it’s just great fun. I’ve really enjoyed putting my personal opinions out there and I hope they at least come across as coherent and semi-intelligent!
All you really need to look smart on the internet is correct grammar, but still you’ve done a wonderful job.
Probably a bit late, but thank you. I pride myself on spelling things correctly and doing my best to write proper sentences.
I’m no genius but I’m certainly no dummy. And I try to reflect that no matter what.
I understand, and I honestly didn’t mean to insult anyone. I just hate feeling incriminated for a single comment. People have their own situations and I respect that. I just felt a bit hurt. Then again, I don’t really take any of this seriously. I find it funny that people think someone’s weak for how they react. And this conversation itself is way out of hand. I meant to put my opinions in a way that defended ME, not Twilight. I really don’t care either way about the series.
Some time lords are wizards too (David Tennant)
And Time Lords are not fictional?
meh Hermione had a task to complete, Bella was in a crappy town with nothing to do but be miserable.
man did i just defend twilight? i must be tiiiired
Awesome, go Hermione.
and that is why Hermione rules/rocks/is awesome
Also, Hermione had to erase all memories of herself from her parents in order to protect them from Voldemort and his Death Eaters. The amount of loss Hermione experienced in that book was just outrageous.
That’s right! Dude, I saw the movie less than two weeks ago and totally forgot that!
See, Twi-Hards? THAT is real strength. THAT is moving on with your life. THAT is a characteristic worth admiring, even in a fictional character.
Bella’s little “Oh, poor me” routine got old REALLY fast. And that obsessive fifteen-year-old’s idea of what love is just makes me ill. I know I was once a fifteen-year-old girl but I hope to God I was never that obnoxious.
I mostly just stayed in my room and listened to Nick Cave albums and read Neil Gaiman novels.
Neil Gaiman is frickin’ awesome.
Hell, yeah, he is!
I’m sorry but the Twilight series is the most horrid pieces of literature to read. The books go nowhere and it takes forever for something to happen. I found them insufferable. So for all of you who say it is a drama about relationships, even at that it fails. Bella is the most selfish and spineless character ever written. All she cares is about getting what she wants and doesn’t care how it affects the people that are around her. The books, however, are fantastic if you’re under the age of 13 because then you’ll have the excuse of saying they were good because you don’t understand what love is.
Yes.
The arguments here are more amusing than the actual picture.
This pretty much summed up what I hate mist about Twilight.
*most
People just deal with pain in different ways. Hermoine, being the brainiac she is, buried her pain in work (her mission).Bella embraced her pain. Nothing is wrong with either way. Hermoine had it easier. She had something to live for even after ron left her. Bella had nothing, and edward was gone much longer than ron was.
Bella could have had it far easier, if she’d allowed herself room for normal friends. She had nothing to fall back on because she gave herself nothing to fall back on. If she’d actually formed meaningful relationships with anyone other than Edward, she wouldn’t have had nothing.
And it is here that I could launch into a rant about “love” (obsession) taking precedence over friendship… but I’ll spare you the massive rant and try to keep it short: Harry Potter emphasizes friendship, right to the very end. Friendship and love (ACTUAL love, not that stuff SMeyer tries to pass as love) and support. Having someone there who cares about you and will be there for you no matter what. It sounds cliche, absolutely, but that doesn’t make it any less meaningful.
What does Twilight emphasize? Teenage infatuation taking the front seat. See, if SMeyer had done this in a satirical fashion, if she’d meant it to be a parody of teenage “love”, then it would have been spot-on. Unfortunately, she meant it seriously, and that’s the problem.
And I hate to say it, but the argument regarding the length of time falls flat. If anything, Bella should have been even better off than Hermione. She had more time to pull herself out of it and get on with her life. Hermione had no time to spare at all, and yet she still did it.
^THIS!!! And I agree completely with you, ‘Nobody Important’.
I believe that Bella was quite a braniac herself. Maybe not on the same level as Hermione, but she certainly isn’t stupid. And if Bella really had nothing other than Edward to live for it just shows how pathetic of a life she lived.
I could go on about this forever, but the truth is ‘Nobody Important’ summed it up quite nicely.
I think the fact that Bella had nothing without her boyfriend is why I hate her so much. No one should centre their life around a man like that.
It is true that Hermoine lost alot….but hermoine’s and bella’s situations were different. Hermoine went to war. She cut off all ties to protect her family. Ron left her during the war, but also came bak (during the war). So hermoine’s situation, though difficult to endure was a bit easier to handle than Bella’s. Tell me something, if ron had never returned and they won the war against voldermort…wat wud hermoine hv done? Bella had nothing to live for…..no purpose…no higher calling….nothing…
Nothing to live for? No friends, no hobbies, no interests? No aspirations? Wow, that just makes me sorry for Bella.
What a loser.
“Bella had nothing to live for…..no purpose…no higher calling….nothing…”
Do explain how Bella had nothing to live for, and how Hermione’s situation was a bit easier to handle than Bella’s. She had quite a few friends, and a multitude of guys head-over-heels in “love” with her (*cough*teenage infatuation*cough*), her family, and tons of other stuff. And you’re damn right Hermione’s situation was different! She was fighting in a freaking war, and I think that’s a little different from acting like a social zombie in a small rainy town. If Ron had never come back, well of course Hermione would have been pretty devastated, but she would have kept on fighting, like she did in the book when he first left.
How did Hermione have it easier? Not only did the love of her life leave her when it was quite possible that they would all end up dead, she was forced to cut ties with her family to protect them. All of that is a huge burden to bear when you’re also trying to stop the most evil person in existence.
Bella had all kinds of friends and family that would’ve supported her and tried to. But she was a whiny little emo because her boyfriend left her (and wasn’t in any danger of death). She had it easy. It’s not like she had to continue to function to save those she loved. She just withdrew into herself like a selfish little child.
(Also- Real Person- learn how to type.)
^ THIS!!!
BEING IN A WAR IS NOT HAVING IT EASIER. HERMIONE IS AT WAR. FACING PROBABLE EVERYDAY DEATH. MAYBE BY TORTURE.
If Ron never returned, Hermione would probably try to find or even CREATE a way to fix her parents’ memories, so that she wouldn’t have to live the rest of her life knowing that they didn’t remember THEIR OWN DAUGHTER. Not cry or SHUT DOWN because she knows that romantic relationships are the be all and end all of her life.
TO REAL PERSON CHANGE UR NAME TO”OMG BELLA I S SOOOO COOL SHE MUST BE REAL” PERSON TWIT
Really? Come on, really? I refuse to defend Twilight, but this is going too far, and for the love of all things cute and cuddly, turn OFF the caps lock and step AWAY from the keyboard.
This is just plain immaturity. If you hate the Twilight Saga just ignore it. Don’t bash it because if you really were a hater of the saga you wouldn’t care so much what happens in it. Stop being so immature and be adults, if you hate it you hate it if you don’t then you don’t but really don’t act more like a fan then the real fans do especially when you hate it.
I’ll admit that the anti-Twilight stuff is getting a bit old, but this brings up a really good point. Girls all over the world idolize Bella Swan, a selfish, immature, one-dimensional character. And then you have Hermione Granger, who is smart, strong, and does what she does because she has to. Who is more admirable? Be honest with yourself on that one.
I hate Twilight. I’ve ALWAYS hated Twilight, before even all the books had come out. But the reason I hate it is because of the rabid, crazy fans. Nobody can even enjoy a vampire novel anymore because Stephanie Meyers has well and truly killed the genre. You know what everyone’s turning to now? ZOMBIES. Zombie romance novels. Tell me THAT isn’t horrifying.
And how do you think that the “haters” act more like fans than the fans do? That doesn’t work. It isn’t the same five people that make all these memes, it’s a LOT of different users. A ton of people hate those books/movies. Don’t make the mistake of thinking there aren’t.
I just realized how incoherent that last pair of sentences is. Sorry, dudes.
We hate not because we care what happens in the series, but because it’s such a poorly written story. Stephenie Meyer wrote an entire series on a 4th grade reading level and then got out a thesaurus and threw in some big words. While it may be an enthralling story, it’s a cliched plot with characters so flat they make road kill look alive.
absolutely 100% most dead on comment in this entire thing.
i applaud your concise and pertinent comment. *hides thesauraus*
Thank you for summing up concisely what all of us have been trying to say. Win.
But making fun of Twilight is fun!
in other word congraluation you are an stalker
I apologize to pearl, and whomever else felt ‘cut’ by my comment. Super hero complex… I feel the need to defend anything defend-able… it’s a sickness…
Oh, no, I knew where you were coming from. Trust me, I have the same reaction every time someone says something nasty in response to one of my comments. Like, “HOW DARE THEY I MUST RETALIATE!!!”
But then I have to remind myself… “Don’t feed the trolls!” And I do it every. Damn. Time. I can’t stop myself.
When I first saw this, I thought oh lol, that’s so true. But I read some of the comments and I realized they’re 2 different stories and two different people in 2 different situations, so of course they’re going to react differently. I’m DEFINITELY not defending Bella, just saying that since Hermione was in a war she didn’t have much choice than to move on, while Bella was just, well, there. I guess what I’m trying to say is because Hermione was in a difficult situation (a war) she had no choice but to move on, while Bella, well I guess her situation was just different.
One more thing, to the people who are complaining about twilight bashers: It’s commenting on the Internet. Aren’t they allowed to voice their opinions on it? Just the same way you think it’s fine to say ‘Twilight is awesome” they have every right to say “Twilight sucks” I know people say they’re tired of people saying the latter, but maybe they’re tired of hearing the former.
To cut a long story short, EQUALITY!
^THIS!
The person who made this deserves a medal.
“Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity… Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend” -Robin Browne
Hermione! She make me proud to be female.Bella is a complete disappointment who simply weakens the teenage females who like and can “identify” with her. His is horrible and an abomination! Come on females! We need to be empowered and stepped on and “run off cliffs”. Hermione RULES!!
*makes*
damn keyboard! This**
Did you mean “not stepped on?” lol
Yeah, thanks.